Episode 601
Episodes 361 & 362 — Combined Special Edition Featuring Daryl Dwarf of the Killer Dwarfs, with Corey Geek
This one comes courtesy of patron Tony Griggs — whose killer playlist sparked the inspiration to pull this two-part classic from the vault and bring it back as one epic combined episode.
Daryl Dwarf — drummer, founding member, author, and one of the most genuinely engaging rock personalities you'll ever hear on this show — joined Sean, Todd, and Corey Geek for nearly two hours of conversation that goes everywhere.
The Killer Dwarfs have been around for 40 years. They've survived grunge, label chaos, pandemics, and the complete collapse of the music industry as they knew it. They're still standing. They're still touring. And Daryl has some very specific thoughts on why.
This episode covers the full story — the highs, the lows, the hiatuses, the comebacks, the tours you wouldn't believe, the producers you'd recognize, and the famous names who showed up along the way in ways you wouldn't expect.
There's also a recording studio story involving Andy Johns, a cardboard box, and one drumstick that you genuinely need to hear to believe.
And yes — there's a necklace story that will change how you think about 45 records forever.
This episode features:
- The complete Killer Dwarfs story — four decades in the trenches
- The Monsters of Rock Cruise and what it took just to get on the boat
- Famous names and unexpected connections throughout rock history
- The recording sessions that defined a sound
- What the music industry looks like from inside after 40 years
- The philosophy that kept them going when everything else said stop
- One of the greatest recording studio stories ever told on this show
Guest: Daryl Dwarf — Killer Dwarfs, Laidlaw, Automan, Sphinx
With: Corey Geek
Inspired by: Patron Tony Griggs and his killer playlist
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When I'm not drinking bourbon or writing blues songs, I listen to the Sean Geek podcast over on SeanMcInnedy CA.
Speaker A:And you should, too.
Speaker B:Hi there.
Speaker A:There's my brother.
Speaker C:Hey, bud.
Speaker C:Todd.
Speaker B:Hey.
Speaker C:Hey, how you doing, Todd?
Speaker C:A minute ago, my name was Stracy.
Speaker C:I had a chick's name.
Speaker C:I had a chick's name a minute ago.
Speaker C:Stracy, my wife.
Speaker C:I didn't realize that her la.
Speaker C:I'm on her laptop and I didn't realize that her zoo.
Speaker C:Her zoom thing is set up on this or some.
Speaker A:So, like, before we officially get started or anything, I just want to say thanks for coming.
Speaker A:Appreciate it.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:The Dwarves have always been kind of like our Canadian band, you know, I like that going out in the world and it's like.
Speaker A:But those guys are ours.
Speaker A:Like, you know, there's kind of like a pride, you know, there's always like Helix and Triumph and those guys.
Speaker A:And those guys are great and everything, but, like, the Dwarves were ours, you know.
Speaker A:That's what it kind of like to me.
Speaker C:And that's another reason why I say I really love Winnipeg.
Speaker C:Because, like, that's why I was so stunned when that crowd turned on me.
Speaker C:The Maiden crowd.
Speaker C:We have a huge fan base in Winnipeg.
Speaker C:We have a huge fan base in Winnipeg.
Speaker C:I really don't think they even realized I was Daryl Dwarf.
Speaker A:They probably didn't.
Speaker C:They probably didn't because why would they put two and two together?
Speaker C:I mean, I did a radio interview that day on your local radio there, but I really don't think they put two and two together.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That was me.
Speaker C:Because we're.
Speaker C:We're loved in that town.
Speaker C:We were just out there with Helix two years ago and sold out your casino there.
Speaker C:And our show was the best one of the night.
Speaker C:They loved us.
Speaker C:So, anyway, I like.
Speaker C:Like I said, I'm happy to hear that.
Speaker C:That you guys embraced us like that.
Speaker C:That's cool because there's a lot of great bands you could have turned to, but.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:The Dwarves or something.
Speaker A:Because, like, the songs are.
Speaker A:Were always different.
Speaker A:Like, they weren't.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But there's something about Canadian rock that's always kind of positive.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker C:Yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker C:Well, we're.
Speaker C:We're definitely a different.
Speaker C:We're definitely that underdog band with the little man fighting syndrome kind of guy that's against the world rust work.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's awesome.
Speaker C:I mean, it's.
Speaker C:I Love being in this band for that reason.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, it's been a fun ride because we're.
Speaker C:We are different and.
Speaker C:And we're.
Speaker C:We just don't give a.
Speaker C:And we always get over.
Speaker C:Seems like we're always getting over.
Speaker C:I mean, our whole career and we just don't care.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And we're like, look, man, you like it or you don't.
Speaker C:You take us or you don't.
Speaker C:But the lyrics, you know, I gotta credit Russell on this.
Speaker C:He's the band's lyricist, unlike Neil Peart was for Rush or whatever.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But Russ's outlook is very, you know, fight for the little guy, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Stand up and fight and life's good.
Speaker C:Just have faith.
Speaker C:That's why the Dwarfs are always.
Speaker C:Yeah, and that's what we're about.
Speaker C:I mean, he's writing lyrics about how we live and how we feel like it's not.
Speaker C:When he writes songs.
Speaker C:He writes songs for me.
Speaker C:Writes songs for his lyrics, you know, I can believe in the lyrics he writes.
Speaker C:Yeah, I live that.
Speaker C:I live that way myself.
Speaker C:So it's a cool story.
Speaker C:To kill a dwarfs.
Speaker C:40 Years together, boys.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:I look pretty good for a guy that's 85.
Speaker C:I look all right, don't I?
Speaker A:Your hair isn't as nice as ours.
Speaker A:Ours.
Speaker A:But we'll let that pass.
Speaker C:Yeah, my wife's in the hair industry.
Speaker C:I'm lucky that way.
Speaker C:She kind of keeps me in line with the hair thing.
Speaker A:But the only reason my wife married me at being a hairdresser, the only reason she married me is because she didn't have to do anything.
Speaker C:Ah, there you go.
Speaker C:You're a low maintenance hair guy.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker C:She loves you.
Speaker A:Yeah, she does.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker A:So anyway, so I'm.
Speaker A:Welcome to the Sean Geek and Fast Red podcast.
Speaker A:You got me Sean Geek.
Speaker A:We got Fast Fret down there.
Speaker A:That'd be Todd.
Speaker A:And we got Corey Geek, who's on here all the effing time, which is great.
Speaker A:And today got Daryl Dwarf from the Killer, Dwarves, from Automan, from Sphinx.
Speaker C:Yeah, a whole bunch of other stuff.
Speaker C:Laidlaw, my other band that Nikki Sixx worked with me on that.
Speaker C:Thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker A:Yeah, thanks for coming.
Speaker C:Thank you for having me.
Speaker C:Sorry about.
Speaker C:Sorry about last week.
Speaker C:We were supposed to do this last week, but I was just not up for it.
Speaker C:I was going through some.
Speaker C:Some stuff medically and I just.
Speaker C:I'm fine.
Speaker C:I'm healthy as fuck.
Speaker C:I'm good.
Speaker C:Oh, trust me, I had some issues there last week.
Speaker C:I wasn't feeling so good.
Speaker C:So I'm feeling better now.
Speaker C:Not Covid related, nothing.
Speaker C:I'm ready to go on the Monsters of Rock cruise now.
Speaker C:I'm going to be getting on a jet on Tuesday and flying down to Miami and God knows what the hell is going to happen to us down there, right, you guys?
Speaker C:It's insane, dudes.
Speaker C:You told me to carry the show, right?
Speaker C:Am I carrying the show?
Speaker C:You got a ton of questions because don't give me that opportunity.
Speaker C:I'm worse than Ted Nugent.
Speaker C:Don't give me the opportunity.
Speaker C:You don't want to give me that opportunity.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:I will say though, about this cruise thing, like, we've been on seven of them now.
Speaker C:This will be our seventh Monsters of Rock cruise.
Speaker C:I love them to death.
Speaker C:I loved all the family, all Larry Moran, all these people that run this thing.
Speaker C:It's top notch and it's all 80s metal and it's so cool.
Speaker C:This is different this year though.
Speaker C:It's been a real pain in the ass, I'm sure, for Larry to even put this cruise on.
Speaker C:It's been canceled twice and this time they said we're not pulling out on this time.
Speaker C:This is going down.
Speaker C:We are not canceling.
Speaker C:Everybody figured it's going to get canceled a third time.
Speaker C:You can just feel it, all the restrictions in place right now, like in Toronto and everything.
Speaker C:But no, it's a go.
Speaker C:And we're a few days away from flying down there.
Speaker C:And the only bummer is all the restrictions, guys, all the stuff we have to do, it's insane.
Speaker C:And we're the bands too.
Speaker C:We're doing the same thing.
Speaker C:The people, the fans have to do.
Speaker C:There's no special band treatment here.
Speaker C:And then the fans are here on this cruise.
Speaker C:We're all on a boat together.
Speaker C:And we all have to go protocol with all of it together, which means testing, mainly the rapid test.
Speaker C:It's been a pain in the ass, I'll tell you.
Speaker C:I've had to.
Speaker C:I've had to download two apps to my phone.
Speaker C:One was a government app that is a border crossing thing.
Speaker C:Another one was the actual cruise app itself.
Speaker C:Now with Royal Caribbean, they want you to have download the app.
Speaker C:They, they, they want you to do photos right on the app with their camera, like your camera, but they're attached to your cameras.
Speaker C:They know it's you.
Speaker C:You have to put your Pfizer or whatever vaccine you have.
Speaker C:You have to put those documents into the, into your files on, on the app.
Speaker C:They got it all.
Speaker C:They got everything.
Speaker C:It's already Pre set up for even board.
Speaker A:I was wondering how that worked.
Speaker A:Like, because the last one, the last cruise was what, pre Covid then, right?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Okay, so this is your first one post or.
Speaker C:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:And it's been a whole different ball game completed.
Speaker C:And we're not on the damn boat yet.
Speaker C:It's not happening until we actually walk on the boat.
Speaker C:Because that's how I feel.
Speaker C:I feel like we're not.
Speaker C:We're not on it till we're on it because we have to test on Monday and I'm bringing my wife and my daughter on this cruise because we usually bring family.
Speaker C:We all do.
Speaker C:Because it's a nice vacation for everybody.
Speaker C:And they all have to get tested.
Speaker C:So on Monday we have had to book a test.
Speaker C:It's a rapid test.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:We have to go test.
Speaker C:And I have to hope that the other members of my band and their families, whoever else is going, we all test negative.
Speaker C:Because if any of us have this Omnicron bullshit, it's over.
Speaker C:We're not going and we're not replacing members.
Speaker C:Like, let's say I, I have it.
Speaker C:It's like they're not last minute gonna call in like, you know, Fritz from Helix to do the gig, right?
Speaker C:It's not gonna happen.
Speaker C:It ain't happening that way.
Speaker C:It's either the dwarves or it's not the dwarfs.
Speaker C:So we're a little bit nervous.
Speaker C:I mean, everybody feels great.
Speaker C:But I know people that have had this thing.
Speaker C:Over 35 people that have had this new variant and half of them didn't even get sick.
Speaker C:Yeah, nothing.
Speaker C:They got nothing, man.
Speaker C:Half of them didn't get sick.
Speaker C:And then there's people.
Speaker A:And then there's some people that had it that never got tested, that had it that never knew they had it because they were hailing hardy.
Speaker D:Right, like right asymptomatic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So it's a bit of a gray, weird area right now for a cruise.
Speaker C:And cruises are petri dish anyway.
Speaker C:You always get some crap when you leave a cruise.
Speaker C:You get sick of some kind of germs or something.
Speaker C:It's crazy.
Speaker C:Washy, washy.
Speaker C:They say you walk around the boat washy, washy.
Speaker C:They're always spraying your damn hands with pesticides.
Speaker B:How long is the cruise?
Speaker C:Five days.
Speaker B:The cruise is five days?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:We go down into Coco Cay.
Speaker C:It's a.
Speaker C:It's an island that's a big theme park.
Speaker C:And then we go to Cozumel as well.
Speaker C:Two stops and then back to Miami.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:So how is, how is the COVID restrictions going to affect the VIP meet and greets.
Speaker C:Well, great question.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:And I was just going over the whole cruise over my itinerary.
Speaker C:I. I finally got my itinerary and.
Speaker C:Oh, I'm really excited to say we're playing the pool stage this year at 8 o' clock at night on the first day on the sail away.
Speaker C:We get to play at 8 o' clock at night.
Speaker C:Just when the lights are coming up and everything.
Speaker C:It's like a prime gig, like on the pool stage.
Speaker C:The whole boat's on this there at that point.
Speaker C:So, yeah, we got the best slot we've ever had yet.
Speaker A:Who are you between?
Speaker C:Do you know who, like who else is on that one?
Speaker C:We're not.
Speaker C:There's no conflict.
Speaker C:So there's a buck cherries on in.
Speaker C:In the theater before us, but it's not conflicted.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker C:They play an hour before we do and all the sets are an hour long, so it's pretty cool.
Speaker C:So there's no conflict this time.
Speaker C:Buck Cherry plays before us and I can't remember the other bands that are on that day.
Speaker C:There's some surprise bands, guests, and I don't know what it is.
Speaker C:Oh yeah, but I was just saying.
Speaker C:I went over the itinerary and there's meet and greets and everything.
Speaker C:They're doing it all.
Speaker C:They're not going to rip the fans off.
Speaker D:So it's.
Speaker A:It's double vax, I guess.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Probably to even go.
Speaker C:Can't get on without it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Then that makes sense.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And everybody's.
Speaker C:And everybody's tested before they get on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Oh, and everybody's tested.
Speaker C:Yeah, everybody's tested as well.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Speaker C:We got a test 24 hours before.
Speaker A:You can't be safer than that like you're doing.
Speaker C:Not really.
Speaker C:But apparently some of these damn cruises are still people getting it.
Speaker C:Even after all those protocols, there's still 10, 20 people getting.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Getting little outbreaks here when they're getting off the boat.
Speaker C:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker C:I'm not going to worry about it.
Speaker C:I'm sick of it.
Speaker C:I'm so sick of this.
Speaker C:I know you guys are too, but I'm just.
Speaker C:I got triple vaxxed for sakes.
Speaker C:I. I complied.
Speaker C:I wear the mask.
Speaker C:I did everything.
Speaker C:Let's get back to rock and roll again.
Speaker C:Let's get back to living our lives.
Speaker C:This is over now.
Speaker C:Let's stop this now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's why we got.
Speaker C:That's why we got vaxxed.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I got my third shot, actually, today.
Speaker C:Oh, good.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm not feeling great.
Speaker A:I'll be honest.
Speaker C:No, I got.
Speaker C:Did you get Pfizer Moderna?
Speaker C:What'd you get?
Speaker C:I got Pfizer three times in my third shot.
Speaker C:I felt terrible for a week.
Speaker C:I don't know why.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Over a week, I felt like from my third shot.
Speaker C:I don't know why.
Speaker C:Because the other two, I never noticed.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Never noticed it.
Speaker C:I don't get that.
Speaker D:I don't know if my third shot.
Speaker A:I was gonna say my kids get their second shot today.
Speaker A:They're five and seven.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, Marlo got my daughter.
Speaker C:Marlo had to get hers, obviously, for the cruise, so we were lucky to get her.
Speaker C:About a month ago.
Speaker C:She got her second shot.
Speaker A:She got her second.
Speaker A:Sweet.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because it's got to be 14 days before you can't sail.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:So I was really nervous because they weren't offering my daughter a shot, and.
Speaker C:And the second one, and because they were waiting and said, well, we got to get her the second shot.
Speaker C:It's got to be 14 days before we sail.
Speaker C:And they booked her 15 days before she was going to say, oh, that was too close for me.
Speaker C:Give them any reason not to let you on, and they'll do it.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:So we.
Speaker C:We were proactive.
Speaker C:We went to a vaccination site, one of those malls, big mall places.
Speaker C:We just stood in line and got her in.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker C:Because she had, like, enough time, had passed.
Speaker C:Six weeks or both.
Speaker C:But we had to be proactive or I wasn't really gonna.
Speaker C:I didn't want to risk it.
Speaker C:You know, 15 days before, just right on the cusp of it.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:The cruise itself.
Speaker B:When you guys are on there, do you guys mingle with everyone, or do you guys have the bands kind of have a segregated area where they're kind of away from the fans, like, so you don't get mauled.
Speaker C:Well, this is the.
Speaker C:This is the magic of the Monsters and Rock Cruise.
Speaker C:And I think that's why it's been so successful.
Speaker C:It's because the bands actually do hang out with the fans.
Speaker C:We do anyway, for sure.
Speaker C:But we're always like.
Speaker C:Not everybody does, but we.
Speaker C:The bands have their own areas to go where they don't have to be around fans, private restaurants, and things like that.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But when you walk out onto the decks or go anywhere on the boat, you're subject to running into whoever.
Speaker C:When you get on the elevator, you're on the same elevator that everybody's on.
Speaker C:There's no VIP thing where you can go hide away.
Speaker C:I mean, you could sit in your cabin the whole cruise and stay in your little bars.
Speaker C:VIP bars where we can go.
Speaker C:But why do that?
Speaker C:Like, I don't.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker C:Why, why agree to be right?
Speaker C:Why agree to be on a cruise with your fan base if you're not gonna.
Speaker C:What's a party?
Speaker C:Give them your time.
Speaker C:That's why they're on it.
Speaker C:So it's really cool.
Speaker C:Everybody I know is cool.
Speaker C:Like Master Cat and LA Guns and all this.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker C:They hang out.
Speaker C:They go out and walk around, sign autographs, meet people.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker C:Outside of their meet and greet, they're always visible.
Speaker C:Everybody's were visible.
Speaker C:Almost everybody.
Speaker C:I'm sure Alice Cooper won't be, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, but I mean, you know, but he might be once in a while, you know, I mean, you're on a boat, man.
Speaker C:There's nowhere to go.
Speaker C:You gotta walk around.
Speaker A:You got.
Speaker C:If you want to sit in the sun, you got to go sit in the same sun that the fans are on.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what are you drinking there now?
Speaker A:I'm curious.
Speaker C:Drinking a Heineken?
Speaker A:Ah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I didn't want to.
Speaker C:I just put it in a glass because it's.
Speaker C:I've been on other podcasts slugging beers, and it just.
Speaker C:I know it's rock and roll, but it's kind of like I'm not an alcoholic.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:But I do like drinking beers when I do an interview.
Speaker C:My first beer, boys.
Speaker C:One.
Speaker C:I've had one beer.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker C:Maybe it'll be more by the time we're done.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:I was gonna have a.
Speaker A:A drink there till the.
Speaker A:The COVID thing.
Speaker A:It's like, really.
Speaker C:Well, here's how I look at it.
Speaker C:If we're all stuck together in the zoom crap now and we can't hang out with people, I mean, it's.
Speaker C:We can hang out now.
Speaker C:It's starting to lighten up.
Speaker C:But we might as well be in our homes and just be relaxed when you're doing podcasts and interviews.
Speaker C:I mean, I. I just got into a groove of doing lots of interviews during the lockdowns, real lockdowns, or.
Speaker C:We weren't allowed to go out.
Speaker C:We weren't supposed to go out.
Speaker C:I said, well, you're going to be in my living room, and I'm going to sit and have a few beers and chat with you guys.
Speaker C:And I find that's just relaxing, comfortable.
Speaker C:Doing interviews.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, I used to record.
Speaker A:I used to record over there in Todd's studio.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, that's where.
Speaker A:That's actually where we cut our CD was in that room there.
Speaker A:And like, that's like.
Speaker A:That's the studio.
Speaker A:But ever since this Covid stuff, like, I set up my own studio down here.
Speaker A:I got my own recording room here, too.
Speaker B:When was the last time you came down to the studio?
Speaker A:Two years ago.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's been a couple years, probably.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:We went through the same thing.
Speaker C:I didn't see Russ for over a year and a half.
Speaker C:He lives two hours north of me, and I didn't go see him at all.
Speaker C:I mean, I didn't see anybody in the.
Speaker C:In the Killer Dwarfs for a year and a half.
Speaker C:And you can believe that we're in the same room.
Speaker C:Weren't in the same room at all.
Speaker C:It sucked.
Speaker C:It was ridiculous.
Speaker B:Did you guys ever think of doing, you know, the bands when they.
Speaker B:You saw like, the four cameras and they're all playing together, but they're all in different areas?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:You guys ever think about doing something like that?
Speaker C:No, we didn't, but we could.
Speaker C:Easy enough, I guess, but we.
Speaker C:I don't know what it is.
Speaker C:I mean, you guys have.
Speaker C:Have you seen the Killer Doors live over the years?
Speaker A:I saw you in Montreal.
Speaker C:Okay, well, if anybody that's really familiar with a Killer Dwarfs live show, it's.
Speaker C:It's hard to be the Killer Dwarfs on the screen.
Speaker C:We're just for.
Speaker C:Dude, we're just four guys playing music.
Speaker C:I mean, the Killer Dwarf show is spontaneous.
Speaker C:And a comedy show too, right?
Speaker C:It's part comedy.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Like when I saw you, you guys actually play off of each other.
Speaker A:You're not.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm on this side of the stage.
Speaker A:I'm on this side of the stage.
Speaker A:And this is my little.
Speaker A:You know, my little cubicle.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:This is where I work and this.
Speaker A:No, you guys are actually like having fun and jamming.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's very interactive thing.
Speaker C:Sometimes I come out and talk and it's just like.
Speaker C:It's spontaneous.
Speaker C:Some days I don't.
Speaker C:Some days I do.
Speaker C:Some days Russ calls me out, some days he doesn't.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's just a very.
Speaker C:I won't say loose.
Speaker C:It's a very tight band.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:But it's spontaneous when it's.
Speaker C:It's good for us because we're never bored because we don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker C:And Russ is Really funny.
Speaker C:And he's got this comedic side to him.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:He could probably do.
Speaker C:Stand up and be.
Speaker C:Do very well at it because he's very witty with some of these things he comes up with.
Speaker C:Damn, it's funny as hell.
Speaker C:So I don't know what given night he's going to be, what mood he's in and.
Speaker C:And there.
Speaker C:And this.
Speaker C:This wouldn't work for that.
Speaker C:This is just like.
Speaker C:That's why I don't think we ever even entertained doing this kind of music geek thing.
Speaker C:Four of us being musos.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker C:I mean, we're.
Speaker C:We're.
Speaker C:We're great players, I'll say that, but we're not that muso band with the four of us ripping out for you guys.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Watch us.
Speaker C:I just find the screen.
Speaker C:It's like, let's watch these musos kick ass.
Speaker C:I don't like it.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker A:Well, I gotta say, there's a.
Speaker A:Like, there's a lot of organ.
Speaker A:I don't know if it's organizations, but, like, there's.
Speaker A:Two Minutes to Late Night.
Speaker A:They were doing their bedroom covers series, and they were doing it, but the reason they were doing it was donate on their Patreon give.
Speaker A:You know, throw some money our way.
Speaker A:We're putting this together for you.
Speaker A:And they would bring in, like, the guys from Mastodon and.
Speaker C:And Right.
Speaker A:And all that.
Speaker A:But what they would do is all the money they made, they would use to pay these artists that aren't getting paid right now.
Speaker A:So they were actually putting it together as a sort of a trust fund to pay musicians through Covid, so they could actually get paid because they couldn't do any shows.
Speaker A:And to me, that was like, wow, that's fucking cool.
Speaker C:Well, that's a different thing.
Speaker C:And that is really cool.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That's like.
Speaker C:That's almost like a charity for musicians kind of thing, right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, that's cool because there's no,.
Speaker A:Like, that union or anything, like, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, not really.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker C:So that's a different.
Speaker C:That's a different angle, and I think that's cool they did that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker A:That's the right way for doing it.
Speaker A:So can I. I gotta ask you a question.
Speaker A:This is just from me here, but.
Speaker A:So I saw you guys in Montreal.
Speaker A:I lived in Montreal for a little bit, and you guys were on tour with Skid Row and Pantera.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:You saw that?
Speaker C:Well, that's awesome, dude.
Speaker C:I thought you saw us in a club or something.
Speaker C:You saw us at Verdun Auditorium?
Speaker A:No, no, that was.
Speaker A:So that was my last night in Montreal and I actually, I was on a flight the next morning moving back, moving to Winnipeg and I went there with my, my buddy Tracy and we went to see the show.
Speaker A:And I hadn't seen the Dwarves before, but I mean, I saw the videos, I heard all the albums, you know, like, you're, you know, our Canadian band.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I never heard of Pantera before, before that night.
Speaker C:What a RO fan.
Speaker C:What a band.
Speaker C:Yeah, so we'll get into that in a minute.
Speaker C:Go ahead.
Speaker A:Yeah, but so the question I have, like, that is probably my favorite show.
Speaker A:Like just everything, the three bands.
Speaker C:How old were you?
Speaker C:Not dating.
Speaker C:Not dating yourself.
Speaker A: That would have been: Speaker A:I guess.
Speaker A:So I would have been.
Speaker C:You're like nine years old?
Speaker A:No, no, I'm 50.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, so you were in your, you were in your like 20s, 30s?
Speaker A:Yeah, early 20s.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that show like changed me because it reminded me that as.
Speaker A:As rock bands are, they're going out there, they're bleeding, they're sweating on that stage, they're giving their all.
Speaker A:It's all about we're a real band, we're making real music, we're performing.
Speaker A:It's all about the fans.
Speaker A:And I saw that show, I was like, oh, yeah, that's what music's all about.
Speaker A:So it was a favorite all time show, which is why I wanted you on the show because that, you know, that changed everything for me.
Speaker A:What was that tour like?
Speaker A:Like with those two bands?
Speaker C:That's a good show.
Speaker C:You, that's a killer package for you to see.
Speaker C:The only bummer about that was it was at the end of.
Speaker C:Of metal, if you remember.
Speaker C:That was the tides returning and changing.
Speaker C:We just did Method of the Madness came out.
Speaker C:We're at the end of a record deal with Epic and they didn't renew it and they signed Pearl Jam and then the grunge invasion happened and we all went away.
Speaker C: We all went away until: Speaker C:So that was our swan song tour with Skid row and Pantera.
Speaker C:We never did another tour after that.
Speaker C:Actually, we did a bunch of club tours after that and went underground and.
Speaker C:And went away is what happened.
Speaker D:So I guess you were touring on the Dirty Weapons album?
Speaker C:No, that was Method of the Madness, Jerry tour.
Speaker C:Oh, no, that's 93 or whatever.
Speaker C:It was 94.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Oh, was it 90 around 93?
Speaker A: , was: Speaker A:And far Pantera's second album, second album with like Anselmo and all those guys, like, where they were doing the heavy sound post Cowboys From Hell that was.
Speaker A:They just released it.
Speaker A:And Skid Row had just released Slave to the Grind.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And we were touring Method of the Madness.
Speaker C:So not Dirty Weapons, that was.
Speaker C:Mike was out of the band and Jerry Finn, who's in the band now, was in the band.
Speaker C:So your timeline's a little off there.
Speaker A:Yeah, I might be off there.
Speaker C:It was around 92.
Speaker C:I could Google it.
Speaker C:Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Speaker C:You were at the, you were at the damn show.
Speaker C:And that is the tour.
Speaker C:And we toured across Canada with that.
Speaker C:And the cool thing is.
Speaker A:Well, how did you get that show though?
Speaker C:Sebastian Box, friend of mine.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker C:I get a lot of good fortune by knowing the right people, like Steve Harris.
Speaker C:I don't know if you notice, there's a theme here.
Speaker C:They seem to like me and they throw me on shows.
Speaker C:Yeah, literally.
Speaker C:Sebastian got us on that, that, that.
Speaker A:Tour because, like on a tour, like with their, their tour, like their, their second album debuts at number one.
Speaker A:They're, you know, I mean, they were always the talk of the town, but like, hey, we had, we debuted at number one, we sold a ton of copies.
Speaker A:They couldn't ask anyone else.
Speaker A:Like, that's.
Speaker C:Yeah, I know, but, but we're one of the favorite.
Speaker C:But think about it though.
Speaker C:The Dwarfs were pretty big band ourselves at that time and we just put out our third album on Epic Records and Sebastian's a huge Dwarf fan.
Speaker C:And so he said, absolutely.
Speaker C:So he's awesome.
Speaker C:He's been a friend forever too.
Speaker C:Hey, he loves the Dwarfs.
Speaker C:There's, there's pictures of him and all the rock mags wearing their T shirts from back then, like in Metal Edge and all those wicked hipper.
Speaker C:He's wearing Dwarf shirts all the time.
Speaker C:And those.
Speaker C:Lots of them.
Speaker C:Anyway, he's, he's, he's a friend and a fan of the Dwarves, but he's seen it as, what a perfect package to sell out the arenas to help sell tickets.
Speaker C:The Dwarfs already do their.
Speaker C:Have their own fan base and it just made sense to him.
Speaker C:So he went to Doc McGee and Doc McGee knows the dwarfs, said, are they available?
Speaker C:That'd be a great middle band.
Speaker C:So we ended up doing a trade off with Pantera because they hadn't broke yet.
Speaker C:So we were opening some nights and they were opening some nights.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker C:Skid Row headlined.
Speaker C:But we would go on second or, or third.
Speaker C:We would switch it up And Pantera was a cutting edge band that nobody had ever heard before, really.
Speaker C:And they were so different and so heavy and so great and like you could just feel the tides of rock changing.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:Pantera was part of it too.
Speaker C:They were part of it as well.
Speaker C:And they.
Speaker C:Things got heavier and darker, right?
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, with them.
Speaker C:And then grunge came in and they.
Speaker C:Grunge was here.
Speaker C:Dark death metal and heavy thrash.
Speaker C:And all this was over here.
Speaker C:All the hair 80 stuff left and died.
Speaker C:And that's just how rock and roll rolls, you know?
Speaker C:I'm sure I've been in it for 40 years.
Speaker C:I've survived four decades of playing in the Killer Dwarves or.
Speaker C:And in other bands.
Speaker C:And I can tell you if you were born in 60s or.
Speaker C:Or if you're a 60s band coming up.
Speaker C:I'm sure they looked at the 70s stuff and said, oh, every decade things move and change.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:I'm sure they felt the same way I felt when Kurt Cobain came along, when Casey and the Sunshine Band came along in the 70s, you know?
Speaker C:You know, all these rock bands like Aerosmith and Kiss, they're going, we got to write a disco song, man.
Speaker C:This shit's huge.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker C:It's just.
Speaker C:You gotta roll with it, man.
Speaker C:You gotta figure it out.
Speaker C:You got.
Speaker C:You gotta roll with it.
Speaker C:Or, you know.
Speaker C:You know, Russ and I were smart, though.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We did the right thing.
Speaker C:We bowed out and just.
Speaker C:We just bowed out and didn't say anything.
Speaker C:We just said, let's just.
Speaker C:Let's wait and see what, what this is gonna do.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:This Kurt Cobain guy could be here for a minute or he could be here for a decade.
Speaker C:Who knows?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Next thing you know, he's killing himself.
Speaker C:So, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker C:We kind of just waited it out.
Speaker C:We just went and did other things and I moved to California and I joined a band called Laidlaw.
Speaker C:And I got very lucky and Nikki Sixx signed the band.
Speaker C:And next thing I know, I had good fortune again.
Speaker C:And I was on tour with ZZ Top and Leonard Skinner all into shit, man.
Speaker C:I was touring with Motley.
Speaker C: ,: Speaker C:So you just got to be patient.
Speaker C:Don't panic in any business, man.
Speaker C:I'm telling you, I'd be a business model guy.
Speaker C:Telling you right now, don't panic.
Speaker C:Don't, don't, don't freak out.
Speaker C:Calm down.
Speaker C:It's good.
Speaker C:Things are never they're always moving.
Speaker C:They're never going to be stuck and stay the same.
Speaker C:And things evolve.
Speaker C:There's always another door.
Speaker C:It's another door that's going to open for you eventually.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:You're not going to be hanging in a closet dead.
Speaker C:Like, just relax.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And that's what.
Speaker C:What we did.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker C:That's what I did.
Speaker C:I won't tell you what it was.
Speaker C:Wasn't easy.
Speaker C:I mean, it wasn't like a cakewalk.
Speaker C:It wasn't like, oh, you know, I mean, I was.
Speaker C:I was sitting there with no gig at one point going, what am I gonna do?
Speaker C:You know?
Speaker C:When the Killer Dwarves lost their deal and Russ and I decided to just go away for a while, I was.
Speaker C:You know, I had this soul search and that's going to be in my next book, all that.
Speaker C:I had to figure it out.
Speaker C:I had to figure it out.
Speaker C:And I just threw fate to the wind and I jumped on a jet and I went to la, because LA was where I had a lot of connections, because recording Dwarf Records with Andy John's and all that.
Speaker C:And there was this Southern rock band that wasn't flavor of the month at all in any way.
Speaker C:They were called Moonshine.
Speaker C:And the leader of the band was a friend of mine, and he actually worked for our guitar player as a tech on one tour, and his name's Craig DeFalco.
Speaker C:And he offered me a gig with their band.
Speaker C:They were looking for a drummer.
Speaker C:And I told them, well, I'm looking.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm thinking of doing more money making things, studio work and different things that I wanted to do.
Speaker C:I go, you know, Craig, we all know that starting a new band costs a lot of money.
Speaker C:It's usually out of your own pocket.
Speaker C:And he goes, no, no, I.
Speaker C:But I have.
Speaker C:I have Doc McGee involved, and I have a Nikki Six, and I have all these people, and I.
Speaker C:Come on, bro.
Speaker C:I've heard this before, right?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:I kind of threw my trust in him because everybody's got somebody that's gonna save them.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:But it took him a while.
Speaker C:Took him four years, but he pulled it off.
Speaker C:And he convinced Nikki to sign the band.
Speaker C:And we did two records.
Speaker C:Nikki produced one and Brian Dobbs produced the other one that worked on Metallica's Black album.
Speaker C:And I had a killer run with that band.
Speaker C:It was so fun.
Speaker C:We played all arenas and theaters.
Speaker C:We did two huge Motley Crue tours, you know, but it was at the time when no Doubt Was a big band again.
Speaker C:Flavors, right?
Speaker C:Flavors of music.
Speaker C:We were Leonard Skynyrd.
Speaker C:We were like Skynyrd.
Speaker C:We were the new Skynyrd.
Speaker C:We big biker guys look like Zach Wilde.
Speaker C:That's what Wade Law looks like.
Speaker C:They're big dudes, like six.
Speaker C:Six guys with tattoos.
Speaker C:Really cool looking band.
Speaker C:But it's Southern rock.
Speaker C:Southern hard rock is what Laidlaw was.
Speaker C:And the records just didn't take off.
Speaker C:They stay sold Respective.
Speaker C:But never even with Nikki behind was on his label, Americoma.
Speaker C:We got.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We didn't get the radio airplay, right?
Speaker C:We didn't get radio.
Speaker C:We got great touring support and great fan support at the shows.
Speaker C:We got encores.
Speaker C:It was so cool.
Speaker C:We were playing in front of 18, 000 people a night every night.
Speaker C:But it came to an end because it didn't.
Speaker C:Couldn't have a life after the tours because the fan base.
Speaker C:Didn't build a fan base because there was no radio.
Speaker C:And what do you do, right?
Speaker C:It ran its course quick, you guys up, up and gone in four years.
Speaker C:And Russ was calling me saying, let's get the band back together.
Speaker C:We got a number one hit in Japan.
Speaker C: lew my ass back to Toronto in: Speaker C:We did that live DVD reunion of scribes.
Speaker C:And then we had another.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:We had.
Speaker A:That was a new find for me last week, by the way.
Speaker A:And I'm like, what the is this?
Speaker A:Oh, this is good.
Speaker A:This is good.
Speaker A:It's like, you know, you guys still sound great.
Speaker C:Thanks, man.
Speaker C:So anyway, I was just getting you up to speed.
Speaker C:Quit.
Speaker C:I don't want to go too much more into it because I'm gonna be writing about all this shit in my next book.
Speaker C:But that gets you up to speed with where we're at sort of now.
Speaker C: We did: Speaker C:It was the lineup of Dirty Weapons.
Speaker C:We put it back together.
Speaker C:Russ, myself, Mike Dwarf and Ronbo.
Speaker C:But again, the climate wasn't quite back.
Speaker C:The touring circuit, it wasn't back yet.
Speaker C: To: Speaker C:And so it kind of ran its course again.
Speaker C:And then we went underground again.
Speaker C:And that's when I put Auto man together.
Speaker C:And Russ did some solo stuff.
Speaker C:Had a band called Penny Black and he did his own solo thing.
Speaker C:Wireless record, he did.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C: And then in: Speaker C:And it was a retro classic rock kind of resurgence of 80s rock.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And that's when Monsters of Rock Crew.
Speaker C:That's when Monsters of Rock Crew started.
Speaker C:And I really have to commend that cruise because it got all those bands on a boat together and launched a movement again from all those LA bands to us to whatever.
Speaker C:It all gave us a vehicle to travel on and get our together and get back touring again.
Speaker C:And that's what we've been doing ever since.
Speaker C:So that's great news.
Speaker C:We've been touring solid since 213.
Speaker C:That's the longest run other than Covid us over and shutting it down again.
Speaker C:Yeah, we.
Speaker C:That's the longest run we've had in a long time.
Speaker C:And now we know that we can do this on our own terms and that's what we're doing.
Speaker C:And so there's no reason for us to stop again at all.
Speaker C:Unless.
Speaker C:Unless a goddamn pandemic shuts us all down for.
Speaker A:Isn't that nice though?
Speaker A:You guys, like.
Speaker A:I don't know, I. I feel like you guys never really sold out.
Speaker A:You guys kind of did.
Speaker A:No, we're the dwarfs.
Speaker A:This is what we do.
Speaker A:And it was your sound.
Speaker A:It was like your songs.
Speaker A:Like, I. I know in the book you're talking about there's couple of songs that you guys were kind of forced to do.
Speaker A:But I mean.
Speaker C:Well, there's never any forcing.
Speaker D:But it's.
Speaker C:It's like that We Stand Alone and it's not my favorite song.
Speaker C:It borderlines on being commercial for the killer dwarfs.
Speaker C:And sure, nobody forced us to do it.
Speaker C:They needed us to do it.
Speaker C:They wanted that song.
Speaker C:They wanted another song.
Speaker C:And you're under a bit of pressure to come up with something.
Speaker A:Thankfully you came up with something that was better than like Cherry Pie, right?
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:I mean, there's that.
Speaker C:Don't get me wrong, We Stand Alone.
Speaker C:A lot of fans love that song.
Speaker C:I mean, don't get me wrong, it's just something that we have never got our heads around to play live.
Speaker C:We don't feel it in our hearts when we play the song.
Speaker C:We've tried to play it live.
Speaker C:And we look at each other like this.
Speaker C:This is not going together with Union of Pride and Keep the Spirit Alive and Dirty Weapons and Last Laugh and all these other tracks that go through the set.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:It just doesn't seem to take off for us.
Speaker C:I don't know what it is.
Speaker C:You have to be us, I guess.
Speaker C:No harm done.
Speaker C:Go ahead.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:I Have a question.
Speaker D:So the band pretty much started off.
Speaker A:Almost as an indie band.
Speaker D:You know, your first album was.
Speaker C:On Attic Records.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Indie label.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Would you guys be doing that again?
Speaker D:Nowadays, I mean, nowadays you don't have to have a label.
Speaker D:You don't have to have studio space.
Speaker D:You do, you know, all your recording at home.
Speaker D:Is that something that the band's looking at doing?
Speaker C:Well, it's a great question because everybody's doing that.
Speaker C:It's not just us.
Speaker C:That's where we're at now in the music industry.
Speaker C:Like think about it like.
Speaker C:I mean, let's use Motley Crue even, for example.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker C:They form Motley Records and long time ago and.
Speaker C:And basically controlled their whole.
Speaker C:Their whole catalog after that, you know, and.
Speaker C:And sort of.
Speaker C:We're doing that now as well.
Speaker C:So we.
Speaker C:We did sign a temporary deal though.
Speaker C:I don't know if you heard about this.
Speaker C:Three years ago we signed a short temporary deal with the EMP label.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Elson.
Speaker C:Dave Elson.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:And we gave them some of our back catalog, newer stuff.
Speaker C:So Russ gave them the wireless solo record just for them to distribute.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:We gave them Start at One, which is our last actual recording that we.
Speaker C:We've done.
Speaker C:Do you know the story about Start at One?
Speaker C:The Start at One record?
Speaker A:I do, but I think for those that haven't read the book, you could probably.
Speaker C:Okay, well, I don't want to go.
Speaker C:We don't want to go long winded about start at 1.
Speaker C:My point to you is we recorded record before the grunge thing hit.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:And then we shelved the record because we couldn't get anybody to sign it.
Speaker C:We shelved it and then we put it out in 213 and toured behind it.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:And it.
Speaker C:So an old Dwarf record came out and was heard by everybody.
Speaker C:It's so cool.
Speaker C:It's like it was frozen in time.
Speaker C:It's the last material we wrote after Method of the Madness.
Speaker A:It's cool.
Speaker C:So it's pretty cool.
Speaker A:Really cool.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:We gave them that record.
Speaker C:They have that for now, but we all have it back now because the label is no longer now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I don't really want to say.
Speaker C:Why don't we.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:A little bit of a. Yeah, let's.
Speaker C:A little bit of a yeah.
Speaker C:Something that Dave got stuck caught up in unfortunately.
Speaker C:Feel bad formerly because he's actually a really nice guy and it kind of him over pretty bad.
Speaker C:He got fired from Megadeth and his label is gone.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker C:So we're.
Speaker C:We're okay with it because we just wanted all our stuff back anyway.
Speaker C:And we just wanted.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker A:I wanted to ask about that because I'm like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:Are you fucked with your stuff now?
Speaker C:No, not at all.
Speaker C:No, because.
Speaker C:Because we.
Speaker C:We didn't sign anything away.
Speaker C:We just lent it.
Speaker C:Like, how do I.
Speaker C:How do I.
Speaker C:How can I put this properly?
Speaker C:It's kind of like lending them those records, then they had control of them for a short time.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And then we get it back when they're gonna lease.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's like leasing them those albums.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You guys put them out.
Speaker C:You're gonna get a cut.
Speaker C:We're gonna get a cut.
Speaker C:You're gonna market it.
Speaker C:You're gonna help us market stuff.
Speaker C:Get it out there.
Speaker C:That's sort of what happened.
Speaker A:So what about the early catalog, though?
Speaker A:Like, what's.
Speaker A:Is that still tied up with the labels?
Speaker C:The early catalog is all over the place.
Speaker C:Attic Records.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:That first album with Heavy Metal Breakdown, we never owned that from day one because we signed our publishing away to Attic.
Speaker C:And we knew what we were doing.
Speaker C:We knew it was the wrong thing to do, but it would give you money for video.
Speaker C:We were a glorified bar band, bro.
Speaker C:Nobody was off.
Speaker C:Nobody was offering us a record deal.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And for us to actually get a record deal, like I say in my book, the lawyer said, sign you guys.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker C:They're giving you a rock video.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Something no one's ever heard of before.
Speaker C:They're paying for it, dude.
Speaker C:So we don't regret that move at all, because that.
Speaker C:That did well for us.
Speaker C:But that record addict is no longer.
Speaker C:So addicts sold off their catalog, so some.
Speaker C:Some label in Quebec owns that album.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker C:First one.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:We don't see any money from it.
Speaker C:Nothing.
Speaker C:They own it clean out.
Speaker C:They put it out.
Speaker C:It's out.
Speaker C:You can find it on the Internet.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's just.
Speaker C:To us, that's just a dead thing, you know?
Speaker C:And stand tall.
Speaker C:We stand tall.
Speaker C:Big deal.
Speaker C:Dirty Weapons, Method of the madness.
Speaker C:Start at 1.
Speaker C:The live albums, all that is basically back in our hands now.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker D:We've got Stan Tall back because you hinted at something.
Speaker C:Santal's a sticky one, though.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker C:It's not totally back yet, and it's.
Speaker C:It's a bit of a sticky deal.
Speaker C:Epic had owned it originally.
Speaker C:We sold it off to Epic kind of thing.
Speaker C:So Epic.
Speaker C:Epic had control of that record for the last 20 years or 30 years or whatever.
Speaker C:And things have kind of been rolling back our Way a little bit now.
Speaker C:So we're.
Speaker C:We're not.
Speaker C:We're still negotiating a lot of stuff and.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:It's good news, though.
Speaker C:I mean, it's good news.
Speaker C:I mean, we're.
Speaker C:We're not out of control of.
Speaker C:Of our catalog, you know, by any means.
Speaker C:So, I mean, we have record.
Speaker C:Some of it's for sale on our website.
Speaker C:You can get everything.
Speaker C:But Stand Tall is for sale on there.
Speaker C:Big deal.
Speaker C:I think on killerdwarfsband.com realize you could.
Speaker A:Buy it off your website because I'm like.
Speaker A:I was like, yeah.
Speaker A:Trying to source it out and see if there's a way to get it.
Speaker C:That happened about five years ago.
Speaker C:We got back some of it.
Speaker C:We got Big Deal and Weapons.
Speaker C:Method of the Madness, I think was being worked on still.
Speaker C:But those two are key.
Speaker C:Big Records, Big Deal and Weapons.
Speaker C:And we got.
Speaker C:We have.
Speaker C:They're on there for sale on killerdwarfsband.com as well as everything else except Stand Tall.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:After we're done.
Speaker A:That's where I'm going.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Check it out.
Speaker C:I mean, okay.
Speaker C:Since COVID things have been run down a bit.
Speaker C:The stores, a lot of stuff hasn't been replenished yet.
Speaker C:The company's in process of refilling all the orders and all that.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because during.
Speaker C:We shut down, basically during COVID so a lot of the merch sold off.
Speaker C:Nobody.
Speaker C:We didn't renew any of the stuff.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So all that's coming back now because we're starting to tour again.
Speaker C:So I'm not sure what's available.
Speaker C:Stuff is there?
Speaker C:Look, there'll be stuff sold out, but there'll be stuff there.
Speaker C:So have a look, man.
Speaker C:You can get that stuff on CD only, though it's not on vinyl yet, just cd.
Speaker D:Are you planning on releasing any of your catalog in that retro media?
Speaker D:Because, I mean, cassettes are coming back, vinyl's coming back.
Speaker D:I mean, Boots is coming out on eight tracks.
Speaker C:Todd, cheers, buddy.
Speaker C:I saw that.
Speaker C:Hang on.
Speaker C:Todd, cheers.
Speaker C:Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker C:You with your rush shirt on.
Speaker C:Right on.
Speaker C:Okay, sorry.
Speaker C:Corey, go ahead.
Speaker C:I just saw that.
Speaker C:Well, I got a brother here having a drink with me.
Speaker C:I'm gonna take toast.
Speaker A:Well, I've got my coffee.
Speaker C:That's okay.
Speaker D:That's okay.
Speaker C:I like your.
Speaker C:I like your mug.
Speaker C:Goofy.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's me.
Speaker C:Corey, go ahead.
Speaker C:Was you.
Speaker C:You ever asking me?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:So I'm still answering it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's the story about the catalog right now, and it's kind of good News.
Speaker C:And it's only going to get better.
Speaker C:I think it's only going to evolve.
Speaker C:And we are writing a new record.
Speaker C:People been had on all over us going, where's this new album?
Speaker C:It's been a hard process trying to get.
Speaker C:Get it done because of COVID really stopped it.
Speaker C:But the process has been up and running for quite a while and we really just need to get our shit together and get in a room and it's done.
Speaker C:We're just having so much trouble procrastinating to get together to get this new record recorded.
Speaker C:But it is.
Speaker D:It is.
Speaker C:There is going to be a new Dwarf record.
Speaker A:This cruise is going to kick you in the ass.
Speaker C:It probably will, I think.
Speaker C:I promise for sake.
Speaker C:There's going to be a new Dwarf record and I figure it's going to be end of this year.
Speaker C:We'll actually get in a studio and.
Speaker A:Start tracking and you'll release it yourselves.
Speaker C:We will and it.
Speaker C:But it'll be released like with full distribution and it'll be released on itunes and it'll be released everywhere a major label would put it.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker C:It's gonna be the same different day.
Speaker C:It'll just say Dwarfs on it and not epic.
Speaker A:So I got a question about.
Speaker A:There's a trilogy of music videos that you guys did.
Speaker A:And you probably know where I'm going with this, but there's almost like a storyline.
Speaker C:No idea.
Speaker A:No idea.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So there's almost a storyline that.
Speaker A:That it starts out with, I believe Keep the spirit Alive.
Speaker A:It's got Russ in the crate rolling down the hill and on the bike and all that stuff.
Speaker A:And then there's the.
Speaker A:There's a follow up video.
Speaker A:I try to remember the sequence of which one was first now.
Speaker A:But then there's the video.
Speaker A:You guys stand tall.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker A:And then you guys have your own video.
Speaker A:You're making your own stuff.
Speaker C:Yeah, making your own.
Speaker A:You're making your own records.
Speaker A:You know, and very comical video.
Speaker A:Like very like a lot of fun.
Speaker A:And then the following video is you guys.
Speaker A:Well, we're signed.
Speaker A:We've signed to the label and we're going to do our hair up and we're going to have the spray tans on and all this stuff.
Speaker A:And a lot of it looked like kind of a.
Speaker A:To the record labels into the industry and was.
Speaker A:How much control did you guys have over the video?
Speaker A:Like was it.
Speaker A:Was it us going fuck, like this label shit is kind of pissing me off.
Speaker A:And this is kind of a form.
Speaker C:Of expression and like well, the cool thing is Epic.
Speaker C:Epic allowed us to have all the control.
Speaker C:Epic liked what we were about, and for once, they, you know, they weren't controlling.
Speaker C:I mean, the whole.
Speaker C:The whole thing with that single, it's like.
Speaker C:It's not their fault.
Speaker C:I mean, the fact that they wanted us to write a song like We Stand Alone and that's what the video was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's nobody's father.
Speaker C:You're just trying to succeed here.
Speaker C:You're trying to get a hit record.
Speaker C:You're trying to.
Speaker C:You're trying to write great songs and you're trying to write catchy songs.
Speaker C:You're trying to write songs that are on the radio.
Speaker C:Everybody wants that.
Speaker C:Every.
Speaker C:Every label wants it.
Speaker C:We don't think about it consciously so much, but you need to be successful to get to your next record.
Speaker C:Need to sell us X amount of records to even get another record.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:With a major label.
Speaker C:Because they're dropping a quarter mil every time they're doing a record with you.
Speaker C:So they're not just gonna throw that money out the window to a band that doesn't give a.
Speaker C:About what they sell or what kind of songs they write.
Speaker C:So that's not the way it went.
Speaker C:But they.
Speaker C:I was surprised they allowed us to have that kind of freedom and.
Speaker C:And come up with that video, which really was a big you to the record industry.
Speaker C:But Stan Tall sort of was too.
Speaker C:Monster Records.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Crashing down.
Speaker C:The monster Records thing.
Speaker C:Crashing down is the same thing.
Speaker C:So they were.
Speaker C:Guys are just rebels.
Speaker C:That's what they're into.
Speaker C:So let's.
Speaker C:Let's not with them.
Speaker C:Let's not change that.
Speaker C:So in hindsight, Epic was awesome.
Speaker C:It was like they were cool to allow us to be the dwarf.
Speaker C:So that's sort of what happened with that video.
Speaker C:That was our idea.
Speaker C:And they helped.
Speaker C:You know, they came in with some cosmetic ideas of different things to do in the video.
Speaker C:The producers were involved with coming up with storylines and screen scripts and different things and, you know, but at the end of the day, we had a lot of control about what we were doing with those.
Speaker C:With that video and with the writing and everything too.
Speaker C:Nobody had that full control.
Speaker C:Full control.
Speaker C:Nobody.
Speaker C:I don't want to paint a bad picture Epic at all.
Speaker C:I mean, they.
Speaker C:It's not like they were controlling us to do anything.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:It just turned out that they were pushing for a certain.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Type of song that we didn't have, which was sort of a single vibe.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:There's always like a single, a ballad.
Speaker C:Well, they weren't they weren't quite hearing it, that's all.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So they wanted something a little catchier, you could say.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And, you know, who am I to say?
Speaker C:Some people think that's one of our greatest.
Speaker C:One of our greatest songs.
Speaker C:We Stand Alone.
Speaker C:I'm just saying.
Speaker C:I don't like it.
Speaker C:I'm just an.
Speaker C:It doesn't mean.
Speaker C:Doesn't mean it's true.
Speaker C:I like heavier.
Speaker C:I like heavier music.
Speaker C:It doesn't mean it's, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's all.
Speaker C:But I will say we had a struggle playing it live, and that's what was weird to us.
Speaker C:Believe me.
Speaker C:We attempted it many times.
Speaker A:It's getting the right vibe.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:It just didn't click with us.
Speaker C:Live.
Speaker C:It's live show is different than recording.
Speaker C:Recording is here, live is here.
Speaker C:It's a different animal.
Speaker C:Two different animals.
Speaker B:Do you find the energy is different when you're recording in the studio?
Speaker C:Well, the magic of it is to try to get that energy of what we.
Speaker C:You see on stage in the studio.
Speaker C:Right, That's.
Speaker C:That's hard to do.
Speaker C:That's pretty hard because it's more sterile environment, no fans, no.
Speaker C:No party.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:You have to.
Speaker C:You have to try to bring that energy to capture that on your record.
Speaker C:Every artist has that struggle and job to try to get that music to sound like live on that record.
Speaker C:Right, right.
Speaker C:And so, you know, we.
Speaker C:We always try to get up to record as much as we can.
Speaker C:Try to get the adrenaline going, try to get.
Speaker C:Get that magic, try to get that power and excitement of what we can do live in the studio.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, good question, man.
Speaker C:It's a struggle to do it, but we seem to pull it off.
Speaker C:I. I like how all our records sound, you know, I really do.
Speaker C:I feel the energy.
Speaker A:No, they sound good.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:It doesn't sound sterile.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Especially Dirty Weapons.
Speaker C:That record really moves and it's.
Speaker C:It's really exciting records.
Speaker D:Really aggressive.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:It's just everything sits on top.
Speaker C:Like, I talk about it in my book, and I really hadn't enjoyed the recording process with Andy Johns on that record.
Speaker C:And I just found it.
Speaker C:I just found it had its own life, you know?
Speaker C:I mean, that record just had its own energy and its own life and.
Speaker C:And we recorded it at Sunset Sound, which is such a magical studio where the Doors recorded and Van Helen and, you know, just when I was setting my kid up in that room, I just.
Speaker C:I couldn't help but just say Alex Van Halen was just in here, like, not really that long Ago, a decade ago.
Speaker C:Just setting his kid up right here like, and recording Van Halen.
Speaker A:Hear it on the record.
Speaker A:You can hear there's history there somehow.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's right there and dripping off.
Speaker C:And answering your question, Todd, that's.
Speaker C:It's a huge deal to capture that on a record.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Otherwise you're gonna find yourself hating it and re.
Speaker C:Recording it.
Speaker C:And you, you, you record, right?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:That's your studio you're sitting in right now.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker C:Recording studio, yeah.
Speaker C:Well then you guys record.
Speaker C:You know the process.
Speaker C:But you know, try at all costs to get as much energy on that tape or Pro Tools now or whatever we're using.
Speaker C:Try to get as much energy as you can on that, man.
Speaker C:You know, just try to get it moving, try to get it alive because the studio's hard to do.
Speaker A:Genius, man.
Speaker A:Like the.
Speaker A:What he pulled off, like you're, you're describing the book like some of the techniques and you're like, what the is this?
Speaker A:This makes no sense.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker C:Crazy.
Speaker A:You're like, that's great.
Speaker C:I even, I left out a lot of stuff in my book.
Speaker C:Obviously.
Speaker C:I can't, I can't cover every little.
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker C:And there was one thing he had me do.
Speaker C:I didn't put it in the book, but I'll tell you, it was this craziest, stupidest thing that any producers ever brought to me.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He was hearing a bleed.
Speaker C:Todd, you'll love this.
Speaker C:He was hearing a bleed off the snare drum.
Speaker C:Right off my snare.
Speaker C:It was bleeding out into some other mics because I had the big double bass kit back then and I had a 12 inch rack tom to my left, a 13 and a 14 and 16 and 18 floor toms.
Speaker C:Big kit, you know.
Speaker C:And he was hearing off this snare mic.
Speaker C:He had.
Speaker C:He had two or three snare mics on my snare.
Speaker C:One, one or two underneath.
Speaker C:Think he had four or two up top, two under the bottom.
Speaker C:And he just kept coming in the control room going, mate.
Speaker C:He's like, I'm hearing your symbols up here.
Speaker C:I'm hearing a rack tom.
Speaker C:It's all bleeding into.
Speaker C:Into the snare.
Speaker C:I'm hearing the hi hat is bleeding more than anything into the snare mice.
Speaker C:It's really pissing me off.
Speaker C:And I go, really?
Speaker C:Well, come on, It's.
Speaker C:Dude, you've recorded millions of and you're having this problem.
Speaker C:Let's.
Speaker C:He goes, I think I have an idea.
Speaker C:Let me try something.
Speaker C:So he cuts out.
Speaker C:He gets.
Speaker C:I go, really?
Speaker C:This ought to be great.
Speaker C:Okay, John, you try something.
Speaker C:What are you gonna do?
Speaker C:So he gets one of my old snare cases, like, you know, the cardboard that your snare skin comes out of the cardboard.
Speaker C:Well, there was some cardboard drum head cases on the ground, and he found one, and so he started cutting it.
Speaker C:Cutting the cardboard.
Speaker C:And he was cutting it into, like a rectangle kind of like this.
Speaker C:And then he brought it over to me and he says, I'm thinking of.
Speaker C:I'm wondering if I can pull this off.
Speaker C:He goes, I'm thinking of taping this around your snare drum as a baffle.
Speaker C:So it'll be a baffle.
Speaker C:So I'm going to tape it.
Speaker C:So here's the snare drum.
Speaker C:He's going to tape a wall around my snare drum.
Speaker C:Wait.
Speaker C:Cardboard on the top, on the rim of the drum.
Speaker C:He's going to tape it around to try to block the mics.
Speaker C:So I let him do this.
Speaker C:I know it's not going to work.
Speaker C:I let him do it, though, because it was taking him a lot of effort to do it.
Speaker C:Taking him a lot of effort to do it.
Speaker C:I let him do it.
Speaker C:I sat back on my seat like this and watched him.
Speaker C:Watched him cut.
Speaker C:I was enjoying it immensely.
Speaker C:I was enjoying it immensely.
Speaker C:I was watching him cut out.
Speaker C:Out articulately.
Speaker C:Cut it out, right?
Speaker C:Cut out the stuff and got the gaff tape.
Speaker C:He came over, he started gaff taping the.
Speaker C:Out of my snare drum and gaff taping this wall up around it and all that.
Speaker C:And coming in like this around the hat and all that with it.
Speaker C:He goes, look at that.
Speaker C:I go, yeah, watch this.
Speaker D:Wham.
Speaker C:And I hit it and blew it into a million pieces.
Speaker C:I said, doesn't work.
Speaker C:And he goes, I guess not, eh, dude, it's in my way.
Speaker C:I can't.
Speaker C:Like, I mean, I have to let you do that, but where?
Speaker C:I can't.
Speaker C:I can't.
Speaker C:You got to hit the drum, Andy, you got a thing on my drum this high, mate.
Speaker C:We had a great laugh about it.
Speaker C:But the fact that he worked so hard on it, and with one shot, I exploded the thing into a million pieces and it was gone.
Speaker C:But just the fact that he tried something new is what I mean.
Speaker C:He's probably miked up drums thousands of times.
Speaker C:Yeah, he.
Speaker C:He tried that.
Speaker C:Something he's never done before.
Speaker B:But you never know, because sometimes you fall into some accidents.
Speaker C:You never know when recording, you do never know until you meet an drummer like me and I wreck your dream.
Speaker C:Explode your dream into Nothing that you just worked hard on.
Speaker D:Now, do you still use any of Andy John's techniques when you're recording?
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:All the time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, it's.
Speaker C:It's a go to thing, you know, it's like some of the stuff that he comes up with is pretty mainstay in the business these days.
Speaker C:Lots of people use those techniques to get bigger drum sounds and how room mics are set up and all that.
Speaker C:Everybody uses that stuff now.
Speaker C:Like it's pretty common.
Speaker C:Common now that.
Speaker C:That a lot of people have begged and borrowed and stole from everybody.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I. I try to mic stuff up when I'm recording on my own or if I'm producing something.
Speaker C:And I try to mic my drums up exactly the way Andy miked them up.
Speaker A:So how many mics are you using on your setup then?
Speaker C:Are you doing.
Speaker A:Are you doing three on the snare still or.
Speaker C:No, no, just one.
Speaker C:One underneath, one on top?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't go exactly what he did, but I mean, I'm just talking about room mics, how we use them.
Speaker C:And I try to stick.
Speaker C:A lot of the bass drum techniques he used was really cool and key with the tent.
Speaker C:Tenting, the kick, certain placements of mics and stuff, you know, you just find that it works, you know, so why not use it?
Speaker C:It's easy to set up because you know it's gonna sound like that.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:You have a pretty good idea depending on the room you're in, you know.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Yeah, he was a great guy, man.
Speaker C:We really miss him.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's great.
Speaker A:He's a legend, man.
Speaker A:Like big time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Todd, you're gonna have to read.
Speaker A:I'm gonna have to.
Speaker A:You're gonna have to read the chapter.
Speaker C:My book, for Christ's sake.
Speaker C:Oh, I will lend it to him.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah, I will.
Speaker A:Okay, sure.
Speaker C:He doesn't have to buy it.
Speaker C:You guys already got it.
Speaker C:Just land it to him.
Speaker C:You did good.
Speaker C:Thanks for supporting me.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, for sure, man.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:I don't know, it's.
Speaker A:You're a good dude.
Speaker C:I appreciate it.
Speaker A:You guys are a great band.
Speaker A:Like, I have to buy something, you know?
Speaker C:No, you don't.
Speaker C:You don't have to buy something.
Speaker A:Seriously.
Speaker A:If you guys put the effort in, why shouldn't I go ahead and buy something?
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's like.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's what we do on the show.
Speaker A:We just had these guys here.
Speaker A:I don't know if you can see ancient Raven records.
Speaker A:We had them on Our show, they're the small label at A Gimli Manitoba.
Speaker C:They're kind of.
Speaker A:Kind of got started not too, too long ago and they've got some amazing music there.
Speaker A:So, you know, I met.
Speaker A:I met with the guy, had him on the show, promote the shit out of his stuff because he's just getting started out.
Speaker A:Like you have to extend a hand and help people out when they're getting started with their soul.
Speaker A:If they've got music, just go fucking buy it.
Speaker A:Because you're not going to make money off Spotify or Apple or that stuff.
Speaker A:Like, just go out and buy some physical product and keep these guys in business.
Speaker C:That's my everybody think people.
Speaker C:So easy to forget, right?
Speaker C:Everybody starts at the bottom.
Speaker C:Everybody.
Speaker C:I don't care who you, who you are.
Speaker B:It's tough business.
Speaker C:You weren't a star overnight.
Speaker C:You started at the bottom, everybody.
Speaker C:Do you know Chris Jericho?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Do I know him personally from Winnipeg?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Do you.
Speaker C:You know who he is?
Speaker C:Ozzy.
Speaker C:What a great guy, man.
Speaker C:Awesome guy.
Speaker C:One reason I brought it up is because he supported me and bought my book.
Speaker A:Did he really?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:And he reached out to me the other night on Instagram and he loves the dwarfs.
Speaker C:He's known, a dwarf fan.
Speaker C:And he said, don, he calls me Dunk.
Speaker C:He goes, don really loved your book, especially the part with the Iron Maiden where you said, go to YouTube to watch the video.
Speaker C:He goes, that was amazing because I.
Speaker A:Went and did it.
Speaker C:It was hilarious.
Speaker C:He goes, I can't wait for the next book.
Speaker C:Yeah, how cool, how cool is that of him?
Speaker C:It's pretty cool that he reached out to me.
Speaker C:I don't know him really well.
Speaker C:I only know.
Speaker C:I don't know him personally.
Speaker C:I've never met him and he did that.
Speaker C:I mean, he knows me.
Speaker C:I know him like just by who he is.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And, you know, rusted his show, he had his own, so he knows us.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But I've yet to shake his hand and meet him in person, so I'm hoping I run into him in the next year somewhere.
Speaker C:I don't know where, but what a good guy.
Speaker C:But that was.
Speaker C:That really made me feel good, man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, he's.
Speaker A:I follow his podcast regularly.
Speaker A:I mean, I watch him on.
Speaker A:On the wrestling.
Speaker A:The only reason I watch AEW because is because he's on there.
Speaker A:He's a Winnipeg boy, you know, and he does a lot of stuff to like.
Speaker A:Like I was saying earlier, he's supporting other people.
Speaker A:I'm gonna.
Speaker C:That's why I brought it up.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's why I brought it up.
Speaker C:He supported me.
Speaker C:Bought my damn book.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's why I brought it up.
Speaker C:Sorry to cut you off.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no, that's fine.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:There's a couple of podcasts he goes and supports and puts his name behind.
Speaker A:He doesn't have to.
Speaker A:He just, like, they have a good show I got to tell people about.
Speaker A:I have the ability and the voice to tell, and I have a big audience.
Speaker A:So, like, that's what he does.
Speaker A:Like, I'm going to use.
Speaker A:He's going to use his voice to, you know, help propel people that might need just a little.
Speaker A:A little push to make it to the next level.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker C:Well, it's all about paying it forward and giving it back in this business.
Speaker C:And, I mean, I do the same thing all the time.
Speaker C:I try to help people out all the time.
Speaker C:And that's why I'm always there for a fan base, too.
Speaker C:Yeah, like, we're.
Speaker C:We're known as that band, you know, like, we.
Speaker C:We talk to our fans.
Speaker C:I'm always usually available to talk to fans all the time on social media.
Speaker C:I spend too much time doing it, actually.
Speaker C:I really do, but they love me for it.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker C:It's starting to get too much, right?
Speaker C:It's like, holy.
Speaker A:Oh, you gotta limit a little bit.
Speaker C:Yeah, but.
Speaker C:But I mean, it's important.
Speaker C:It's very important, though.
Speaker C:It's important to be there for your fan base.
Speaker C:It's important to help fellow musicians.
Speaker C:It's important.
Speaker C:You know, I mean, I had some guy today, random guy asked me about drums today, about some.
Speaker C:What pedals I'm using and what hi hat stand I'm using, and he needed advice on it.
Speaker C:You know, he's.
Speaker C:He's a friend on Facebook, but I don't really know him.
Speaker C:I know personally.
Speaker C:I don't know him personally, and this is the first time he's ever reached out to me.
Speaker C:So I was just going through my private message.
Speaker C:I see this guy's name and I see that he's one of my friends on my page, but, you know, I got 5,000 of them, so I don't know them all personally, but.
Speaker C:But he just said, hey, hey, Doug.
Speaker C:Sorry to, you know, hope I'm not interrupting anything.
Speaker C:I got to question about some gear.
Speaker C:Can you give me some good advice?
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And I, you know, and I did.
Speaker C:I took the time I was doing something.
Speaker C:I had things to do, but I stopped and I.
Speaker C:And I answered his question.
Speaker C:And the guy really appreciated it.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:See, it's little things like that go along.
Speaker C:They all add up.
Speaker A:They all add up.
Speaker C:They go a long way.
Speaker C:Yeah, they do.
Speaker D:Well, it's the same thing.
Speaker D:I mean, if you're an asshole to a fan, you know, you could wind up losing the fan.
Speaker C:Well, you will lose them, guarantee.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:If you're an asshole to them, they're gone.
Speaker C:Yeah, but I mean, there's no need to be an asshole though.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's my thing.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker C:There's no need, you know, and like I did, like I said, I spread myself pretty thin.
Speaker C:I have a family, an 11 year old and my wife, my dog, and I'm in my house here, but I'm spending all my days.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm a full time musician.
Speaker C:I don't have a day job.
Speaker C:I run my.
Speaker C:I have a label, I write books.
Speaker C:I do.
Speaker C:You know, I'm busy.
Speaker C:But you know, I spend a lot of time through the day talking to fans these days and musicians and whatever, music industry things.
Speaker C:I'm doing that all day because that's my job.
Speaker C:That's how I look at it.
Speaker A:I'm gonna say something here.
Speaker A:So everything you just said here, just, just right now though, you were saying, you know, the, the Doors took a hiatus.
Speaker A:Let's just kind of see how things go.
Speaker A:And then you took another hiatus.
Speaker A:Let's see how things go.
Speaker A:But this, what you're doing right now with us and with all your fans, this is what brought the Dwarfs back.
Speaker A:It's not the climate.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's just continual, perpetual.
Speaker A:We're here.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:You're right.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker C:You're right.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:And that's why 213 till now.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which is we're.
Speaker C:We're working on nine years here solid.
Speaker C:That's why this has been such a good, great run and it'll continue and until we can't play anymore, you know, physically can't play anymore.
Speaker C:That's our plan.
Speaker C:But, you know, we're in really good shape for how old we are.
Speaker C:We've never been real drug guys.
Speaker C:We're not drug go.
Speaker C:We're not, you know, we're pretty healthy guys overall.
Speaker C:And we basically said to each other the other day, let's, let's tour till we, we die on stage.
Speaker C:But Russ was saying this to me, but he wasn't joking.
Speaker C:He was like, seriously.
Speaker C:So I was telling him I was at the chiropractor and all this.
Speaker C:I go, I'm getting my Neck fixed up because it's starting to get up, so.
Speaker C:And he goes, yeah, let's.
Speaker C:Let's physically do that.
Speaker C:And I go, I. I'm with you.
Speaker C:What else are we gonna do?
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Yeah, let's tour to a rock till we drop and rock till we physically can't do it anymore.
Speaker C:And that's what we plan on doing.
Speaker C:So that's kind of good news for Dwarf fans because, you know, we're looking at trying to do another decade of albums and another decade of documentaries and touring and there's lots of cities in Europe we've never been to that.
Speaker C:It's a bucket list thing for us.
Speaker C:You know, where we want to do some of these big festivals.
Speaker C:Blood festivals.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker C:All these festivals now that are to our disposal.
Speaker C:They want the band.
Speaker C:You know, we want to go to Australia.
Speaker C:I mean, there's a lot of things we haven't done, even though we've been around 40 years and.
Speaker C:And we plan on doing it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Before we're dead.
Speaker C:We plan on doing it.
Speaker C:So you want to try to stay.
Speaker C:We're trying to stay healthy.
Speaker C:Healthy right now.
Speaker C:Health.
Speaker C:Health is everything.
Speaker A:Hey, I'm gonna.
Speaker C:You can't.
Speaker A:Can I take it back to Chris Jericho for a second?
Speaker A:So if you do end up doing a show, which I think at some.
Speaker C:Point you will, well, Russ has done it and I'm sure he'll have me on because he just reached out to me.
Speaker A:He's gonna push the DDP yoga thing on you.
Speaker A:I'm just warning you now.
Speaker C:I hope he does got laugh.
Speaker C:Go ahead and laugh, dude.
Speaker C:I'm a total yoga head.
Speaker A:Are you?
Speaker C:I've been doing yoga for over 12 years.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Me too.
Speaker A:Well, not by.
Speaker A:Dude, that's what Keith Chris Jericho going on and on about his DDP yoga.
Speaker A:So I went and like, I don't know, four years ago I started it and man, I'm in better shape at 50 than ever was at 25.
Speaker C:Well, I'm glad you brought it up, man.
Speaker C:I actually think I've been doing yoga longer than 12 years.
Speaker C:Yeah, 20.
Speaker C:And my wife says 20.
Speaker C:Anyway, I got, I got on doing that because it's a good, good drummers thing.
Speaker C:Lots of drummers were telling me about it and it's the best way to stay toned.
Speaker C:Like keep.
Speaker C:Yeah, look at the guns.
Speaker C:Look at the guns on the 60 year old boys.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker C:But it's the best way to tone and not build huge muscle like Jericho.
Speaker C:I mean, drummers stay lean and firm.
Speaker C:It's the best way for you to be flexible.
Speaker C:Flexible is what drumming is.
Speaker C:Flexibility is key.
Speaker C:Yoga builds flexibility and power.
Speaker C:It does.
Speaker C:It really does.
Speaker C:And it saved my ass, man.
Speaker C:And I needed to see a chiropractor over something in my neck right now.
Speaker C:And like I said, it's personal.
Speaker C:I don't want to get.
Speaker C:I'm not dying.
Speaker C:I'm not dying.
Speaker C:And the chiropractor is a woman that I go see and she goes, dude, you're like, you're in way better shape than you think you are.
Speaker C:I know you think you're having this tissue with your neck.
Speaker C:It's easily taken care of.
Speaker C:But she said, you are in way better shape than you think you are.
Speaker C:You need to just stop thinking so much is your problem.
Speaker C:You worry too much.
Speaker C:Just go do your gig.
Speaker C:Just do your thing.
Speaker C:You're fine.
Speaker C:Keep doing your exercises.
Speaker C:Keep doing your exercises.
Speaker C:You're good.
Speaker C:So I. I attribute yoga as a key thing for me.
Speaker C:So I didn't even know that Jericho was into that.
Speaker A:Oh, no, it's from Diamond Dallas Page, the wrestler.
Speaker A:He started his own yoga thing.
Speaker C:Oh, but I don't know about that.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:You have to look into it.
Speaker D:It's.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:Honestly, dude, like, I can do.
Speaker A:I've got two young kids at 50 and I can't keep up with them.
Speaker A:And yeah, I couldn't, but I. I.
Speaker C:Did the same thing with Marlo.
Speaker C:I have an 11 year old, so I was 50 when she was born.
Speaker A:Oh, there you go.
Speaker A:So you had.
Speaker C:I was you basically with a newborn and I was like, oh, why am I doing this?
Speaker A:But I'm.
Speaker A:I'm a drummer too.
Speaker A:I used to do some running and stuff and my body was beat up, so I did.
Speaker A:Okay, Jericho, I'll do.
Speaker A:You know, Diamond Dallas Pages, yoga tried it out and I was like, is that right?
Speaker A:Actually, but it's a combination of yoga and like physical therapy stuff.
Speaker A:And I'll check it out.
Speaker C:But did Jerk.
Speaker C:Does Jericho do this or does someone else do it?
Speaker A:He recommended to retire.
Speaker C:Oh, was he broken up?
Speaker C:Was he involved in this yoga thing?
Speaker A:No, he.
Speaker A:Jared TDP reached out to him.
Speaker A:The rest.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:I got you.
Speaker A:Try my program.
Speaker A:And he's like, I'm not yoga.
Speaker A:And then he was injured and that's why he's wrestling now, is because he started doing that and he's in the.
Speaker C:Best shape of his life.
Speaker C:What a great story.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:Well, like I said, man, I really believe in it.
Speaker C:And the only way you're going to see me drumming for 10 more years is if I just Stay on this regimen, stick to it and hopefully nothing else comes comes my way that I can't handle disease wise or whatever.
Speaker C:But you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think he got.
Speaker A:I think he got the Metallica singer on it too.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:So he's on James.
Speaker C:Yeah, James Happy.
Speaker C:Yeah, he looks pretty good.
Speaker A:He looks great.
Speaker C:He's all short hair and everything now.
Speaker C:He looks respectable.
Speaker C:But he looks pretty healthy though, right?
Speaker C:He looks healthy though, right?
Speaker A:I'll send you a link later to.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker C:I'd like to check it out earlier.
Speaker C:I mean, even if I grabbed a couple of moves, you know, I have my, my moves down already that I stick to.
Speaker C:But you can always add another one, right?
Speaker C:Like another.
Speaker C:Either core exercise or something.
Speaker C:I'll pick and choose.
Speaker C:If I see something else I could add, I'll do it.
Speaker C:If it's cool, that's worthwhile, I'm happy to check it out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:My favorite musician of all time.
Speaker A:Just so you know, not the dwarfs.
Speaker A:It's actually my brother, but.
Speaker A:But my brother's my favorite musician of all time.
Speaker A:Class act.
Speaker C:And who's your brother?
Speaker C:Todd?
Speaker A:This guy right here, he has to.
Speaker B:Say that he's my brother.
Speaker C:Corey.
Speaker C:Corey.
Speaker C:You know, brothers.
Speaker C:Oh, who's your brother?
Speaker C:Corey?
Speaker A:No, Todd.
Speaker C:Oh, Todd, your brother.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker C:The two.
Speaker C:The two cue ball guys.
Speaker C:The ball.
Speaker C:I know, of course, your brothers.
Speaker C:Look at you.
Speaker A:Corey's a brother from another mother.
Speaker C:Brother.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's great.
Speaker C:That's cool.
Speaker C:You guys are brothers.
Speaker C:How far apart are you age wise?
Speaker A:Three.
Speaker A:Three years.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I have a brother when we're seven years apart.
Speaker C:Blood brother old or younger?
Speaker C:Yeah, he's seven years older than me.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's my old older brother.
Speaker C:He's a fire captain for Toronto Fire.
Speaker C:He's retired recently, but he was captain for Toronto Fire Department.
Speaker C:And I only have one blood brother and then half brothers and sisters from other marriages in my family.
Speaker C:And in the early days in the 80s, my brother was always at all the shows, maiden and all that.
Speaker C:He came out.
Speaker C:He flew down to the States.
Speaker C:Yeah, he.
Speaker C:He did some partying with us.
Speaker C:He was a firefighter back then.
Speaker C:He was a firefighter back then.
Speaker C:Not a captain yet, but he used to travel all over and come to the shows.
Speaker C:He had a great time.
Speaker C:Raid.
Speaker C:Raid the locker.
Speaker C:Right, the liquor locker.
Speaker C:Raider rider.
Speaker C:Guy's got an appetite.
Speaker C:He's a bigger guy than a I am.
Speaker C:Bigger frame.
Speaker C:Used to eat a lot.
Speaker C:He'd eat our deli.
Speaker C:Trade be gone before we had a chance to have any thanks, bro.
Speaker A:Can you bring us a more deli, please?
Speaker C:We called him Bodine.
Speaker C:Like Jethro Bodine.
Speaker C:Yeah, because he look, he's got curly hair in a mustard like Jethro.
Speaker C:He looks a bit like Jethro.
Speaker C:Yeah, he does, right?
Speaker C:So we called him Bo.
Speaker C:We called him Bodine for Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hillbillies.
Speaker C:And every time he'd come to the show, Russ would go, bodeen's here.
Speaker C:The rider's gonna be gone.
Speaker C:If you want a sandwich, get in there.
Speaker C:Odin's here.
Speaker C:It's gonna be eaten.
Speaker C:Oh, I know.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker C:God love him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So anyway, what were you saying about the brothers?
Speaker A:So, yeah, so this, I got to play with this guy.
Speaker A:So, like, yeah, quite, quite a few.
Speaker C:Drummer, guitar player.
Speaker A:I'm a drummer guitar player.
Speaker C:Todd.
Speaker C:Okay, cool.
Speaker C:And are you engineer Todd?
Speaker B:I, I had taken a course while Mid Ocean Recording Studios here years ago.
Speaker B:I was level one recording engineer.
Speaker B:And then after that I didn't really do a whole lot.
Speaker B:That was back in the days when you had the four tracks and you'd have to bounce everything to a different track and you lost the resolution every time you bounce the track.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So it would.
Speaker C:Sounds pretty crappy.
Speaker B:But when computers started to take off with recording, I bought some monitors and, and got the programs and did some reading and stuff and some research and, and then when Sean and I and a couple other guys, we had Ben Dom, they wanted to record an album, so figured we'd, we'd try.
Speaker B:I tried out in the studio and see, see what I could do.
Speaker B:So it was my first attempt and I, I, I think it actually turned out pretty good for, for a first attempt.
Speaker B:I mean, it's nowhere near, you know,.
Speaker C:Professional grade, but so why I asked that.
Speaker C:So you're, you're the engineer though, as well on these recordings?
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:Or did you have someone else come in and engineer with you or.
Speaker B:No, no, just strictly myself.
Speaker C:You did it?
Speaker C:You mix it too, and everything?
Speaker B:Yeah, everything Master.
Speaker C:Good for you, man.
Speaker C:That's the way to go.
Speaker C:I, I'm that guy too.
Speaker C:I mean, I just try to do everything myself if I, I can.
Speaker C:I always try to do everything myself.
Speaker C:I mean, when it comes to anything like Photoshop or anything like posters, anything for do with my band, I'll try to do it myself.
Speaker C:I'll design T shirts, I'll do everything.
Speaker C:I've always done that.
Speaker A:There's a little sense of pride by doing it that way, you know, Saves.
Speaker C:You a lot of money, saves you a Lot of cash.
Speaker A:My wife, for sure, signed her cover.
Speaker A:Like, she did her cover and we did the distribution ourselves.
Speaker A:I mean, it was small.
Speaker A:It was like selling it at shows and stuff like that.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know, it was.
Speaker A:To me, it was like.
Speaker A:It'd be kind of cool to be on a big label, but this is kind of cooler in a way.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know, it was a proud moment.
Speaker A:And to play with this guy was like just a dream come true.
Speaker A:Like, you know, that's.
Speaker A:That's what I wanted.
Speaker C:So, you know, in a weird way, Sean, there is no major labels anymore.
Speaker C:No, it's.
Speaker C:It's strange.
Speaker C:Like, they're there.
Speaker C:You know, they are still there, but there's no real big deal the way it used to be.
Speaker C:Like, there's.
Speaker C:Unless you're.
Speaker C:If you notice.
Speaker C:Like, if you're.
Speaker C:Who can I use, for example, the pop Harry, right?
Speaker C:The pop world, pop rap world, you know, they're.
Speaker C:There's still major deals for them.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Taylor Swift type Axe, people like that.
Speaker C:But for the rock band or the upcoming new Aerosmith that's coming up or anything like that, there's just.
Speaker C:No, it's not.
Speaker C:Doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker C:It's gone underground.
Speaker C:It is indie.
Speaker C:It is indie and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker C:It's great to have full control of your own career and your own stuff at this.
Speaker C:So I would embrace it.
Speaker C:I would embrace all of it.
Speaker C:People become stars every day on this stupid thing on the Internet.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah?
Speaker C:You ever gone on Tick Tock lately?
Speaker C:I have a Tick Tock account.
Speaker C:My daughter got me.
Speaker C:My daughter got me into Tick tock.
Speaker C:She got me an account.
Speaker C:She said, you can sell your book on there.
Speaker C:You won't believe how insane it is.
Speaker C:So I started a Tick Tock account.
Speaker C:It blew up.
Speaker C:It's like crazy.
Speaker C:I'm on there all the time now.
Speaker C:See this Tick Tock, things out of control.
Speaker C:It's so.
Speaker C:It's so narcissistic.
Speaker C:It's wacko.
Speaker C:I'm not saying it's good.
Speaker C:I'm just saying it's a bit nuts.
Speaker C:It's a bit nuts, but.
Speaker C:But people become stars on this damn tool overnight.
Speaker C:Like people get 12 billion views of them with a hula hoop.
Speaker C:It's ridiculous.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Did you buy a hula hoop?
Speaker C:No, I'm just.
Speaker C:I'm just trying to make a point that you can do a lot of damage, man.
Speaker C:You just don't know.
Speaker C:You could just get lucky with one of your songs or anything.
Speaker C:Could happen.
Speaker C:You could get us track at a movie and next thing you know, boom.
Speaker C:And man, is it.
Speaker C:The sky's the limit these days.
Speaker C:You know, as bad as the Internet is and how nasty it was for Download and stealing a music and all that, it's tenfold for the positive.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, it's true.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I think we have a huge.
Speaker A:Like, we have a huge following in India for our show.
Speaker A:No idea why.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker A:See, it's just there.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:You just don't know.
Speaker C:It opens up the whole.
Speaker C:The whole thing to you, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, I don't know if you guys.
Speaker C:Did you guys see.
Speaker C:Have you heard about this Pam and Tommy show?
Speaker C:Tommy Lee?
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I'm just watching it before we get on.
Speaker C:Did you really?
Speaker A:I was on episode two.
Speaker C:I watched all three.
Speaker B:The original video or.
Speaker C:No, no, seriously.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, they offer it.
Speaker C:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker C:But that's funny.
Speaker C:I was just gonna say the Internet.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:That's where Tommy's video sold.
Speaker C:The guy that wasn't that cool.
Speaker C:Seth.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So it's kind of cool how.
Speaker C:I mean, there's a lot of that.
Speaker C:There's a lot of this series I think is ridiculous.
Speaker C:The talking dick and all that.
Speaker C:It's just ridiculous.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker D:Okay, so that's actually a thing I haven't actually watched.
Speaker C:Yeah, you gotta see it.
Speaker C:I won't.
Speaker C:I won't rack it for you.
Speaker C:I won't record for you.
Speaker C:But the actual gist of it with the.
Speaker C:With the video with Seth and how he.
Speaker C:How he got it on the Internet and put it out there.
Speaker C:Isn't.
Speaker C:Isn't that insane?
Speaker C:It was the infancy of the Internet.
Speaker C:It's the very start of the Internet.
Speaker C:And he.
Speaker C:That's exactly how he.
Speaker C:He pulled it off.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was all timing.
Speaker A:Like, the timing of like.
Speaker A:That guy made a fortune off their tape.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it was all.
Speaker A:It was just perfect timing.
Speaker B:Perfect store.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And from that day on, porn and all that went insane on the Internet.
Speaker C:It's gotten completely off the charts.
Speaker C:Makes $500 billion a year or something.
Speaker C:Internet porn, which is ridiculous, but.
Speaker D:Well, that's what the Internet's for.
Speaker C:Oh, I know.
Speaker D:That big.
Speaker C:Got that big, right?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:But yeah, that.
Speaker C:The sky is the limit with.
Speaker C:With this tool now.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's pretty.
Speaker C:Pretty cool and pretty weird and pretty evil.
Speaker C:That's got every side to it, doesn't it?
Speaker A:So are we gonna see.
Speaker A:Are we gonna see a movie called Russ and Daryl or.
Speaker C:No, you're gonna.
Speaker C:It won't be a movie.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:I don't think we're gonna do that like the Anvil sort of thing.
Speaker C:No, but we, we.
Speaker C:One of our goals that we have set for ourselves for the next decade is definitely a real documentary on the killer Dwarves.
Speaker C:Like, it would be a movie type slash documentary.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like really done well.
Speaker C:Really produced and done well.
Speaker C:That's something we will.
Speaker C:We figure we owe it to our fan base to finally pull off one.
Speaker C:Bands have them everywhere.
Speaker C:But yeah, that's something.
Speaker C:We definitely want to tell that story, you know, and.
Speaker C:And because Russ.
Speaker C:Russ has like, man, he has days worth of candid footage.
Speaker C:He is.
Speaker C:So he's always had a camera rolling.
Speaker C:Yep, he has.
Speaker C:He's documented the band from day one.
Speaker C:So the stuff he has is amazing.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:You could edit just his movies and have a documentary.
Speaker A:So have you just like, have you seen the documentaries?
Speaker A:Like the one that was done on Rush by those Canadian guys?
Speaker C:I watched them all.
Speaker C:Yeah, I like.
Speaker C:I like documentaries.
Speaker C:I watch.
Speaker C:I watch many of them and.
Speaker C:And yeah.
Speaker C:Is that the same guy that did the Maiden one?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:Done, done, done.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Sam Dunn.
Speaker A:Yeah, Sam.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'd be interested.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, I'd be interested.
Speaker C:I would love if he would do it.
Speaker C:I. I've never approached him.
Speaker C:I met him once at a.
Speaker C:Some kind of a movie industry gala thing I was at.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, I met him at Maiden.
Speaker C:That's right too.
Speaker C:A backstage at Maiden.
Speaker C:He was at Maiden at the last Maiden show here in Toronto and I met him there.
Speaker C:I met him a few times now, but I did, you know, it's not like kind of thing where I went, hey, please do our documentary.
Speaker C:But he would be a key guy to do it.
Speaker C:But you know, at the same time, we don't even need a producer the way we're going.
Speaker C:We could do it ourselves, but I mean, we definitely want to have it done properly.
Speaker A:No, but the technology is there to at least start it on your own and then if you guys have most of it together, then.
Speaker C:Yeah, bring there.
Speaker C:There are people interested in doing it already.
Speaker C:We've been approached different people.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, you, you.
Speaker C:It'll happen, man.
Speaker C:It'll happen in due time.
Speaker C:We're not done yet.
Speaker C:So, you know, maybe we can get some more funny videos over the next tours and incorporate corporate.
Speaker C:It'll be.
Speaker C:Because the documentary will be the whole thing, right?
Speaker C:You'll see video from the beginning to now.
Speaker C:So it's going to be fun.
Speaker C:I can't wait to.
Speaker A:You have some old Sphinx footage.
Speaker C:There is some very little.
Speaker C:Very.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Because that.
Speaker A:That whole period, it sounded kind of interesting.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:There was a wild west to it.
Speaker A:You could be.
Speaker A:You could be like the bar band doing covers and stuff, but you could still do really well for yourselves.
Speaker A:Like, there was a.
Speaker A:There was a period there where.
Speaker A:I don't know, it was like the sky was the limit.
Speaker C:Like, you could make a living, which was really weird.
Speaker C:You had to work all the time, but you wanted to work all the time, but you could make a good living.
Speaker C:Like, it was weird.
Speaker C:You could make.
Speaker C:You actually get a paycheck and have fun.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:It was cool, but it was.
Speaker C:I was so young, man, that I just.
Speaker C:My vision of the world and rock and roll was so not what it is like now that I've learned what I know now.
Speaker C:And it was so weird at 18 years old.
Speaker C:I'd been touring already for years, since I was 14, 15, and I already was getting jaded.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like I said in the book, I felt.
Speaker C:I felt like I'd already done it.
Speaker C:And I go, is that.
Speaker C:Am I done?
Speaker C:Am I going to go get a job now?
Speaker C:And I'm out of the business?
Speaker C:I mean, it's like, it took a weird twist.
Speaker C:It really did.
Speaker C:In between the Dwarfs and Sphinx there.
Speaker C:And it just.
Speaker C:It's just how it went.
Speaker C:And, you know, I really cut my teeth on that band.
Speaker C:I'm so lucky I had that band, because that band set me up for success.
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Totally set me up.
Speaker C:Totally set me up.
Speaker C:Regardless of how I was feeling, regardless how I.
Speaker C:If I was sick of it or however.
Speaker C:It gave me the knowledge and the tools and the skill to go to the next level when I met Russ.
Speaker A:But the same thing for Russ, like, he.
Speaker A:He probably had the same thing, too.
Speaker A:When you met, it was like, okay, look, we've got all this again.
Speaker C:Timing.
Speaker C:You said timing of that.
Speaker C:Of Tommy Lee's video, where that guy put it out.
Speaker C:This was the same thing.
Speaker C:It was just, what if Russ wasn't in that headspace when I met him?
Speaker C:We would have just went separate ways and there'd be no killer dwarfs today.
Speaker C:Yeah, he just happened to be right in that same mode in his life when he met me.
Speaker C:So odd.
Speaker C:Like,.
Speaker B:With all the experience that you have, have you mentored any younger drummers that are.
Speaker B:That have kind of come up and tried to.
Speaker B:To show them, you know, don't make the mistakes that you've seen other people make because of the experience that you.
Speaker B:That you've had over the years.
Speaker C:Yeah, there's.
Speaker C:There's a few.
Speaker C:And actually, in the early days, I used to teach drum lessons.
Speaker C:I didn't really enjoy doing that much, but I did it for a while.
Speaker C:And I.
Speaker C:Actually, when I was living in Winnipeg, I taught lessons out of a music store there out near the airport.
Speaker C:Name of the store, Pops Music.
Speaker C:What's that?
Speaker B:Pops Music.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:I think that was that.
Speaker A:Was it nice?
Speaker C:I taught drum lessons there.
Speaker B:Pops Music now, was it?
Speaker C:Glenn, it's long ago.
Speaker C:Forget the guys that.
Speaker B:Portage Avenue.
Speaker C:I can't remember who hooked me up with it, but.
Speaker C:But it was only for about four months.
Speaker C:But I taught lessons there when I was not touring.
Speaker D:It's crazy.
Speaker C:And they talked me into it and they said, why don't you.
Speaker C:A lot of.
Speaker C:They'd like to meet you, and plus, you can make some money.
Speaker C:And so I did it.
Speaker C:And I also did it in Oshawa, where I grew up for a while.
Speaker C:And this is in the early Dwarfs first album, going to the second album.
Speaker C:And a couple of those drummers to this day have gone on to playing bands.
Speaker C:And they're.
Speaker C:They're growing up now.
Speaker C:They were kids then.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And they.
Speaker C:And they.
Speaker C:They contact me once in a while and they go, man, you taught me so much and just sent me on my way and blah, blah, blah, and it's gonna feel good.
Speaker C:I'll never forget you for that.
Speaker C:And you just.
Speaker C:I. I credit you for that and the fact that I actually made it in a band today.
Speaker C:And so I guess I could answer your question that way.
Speaker C:There is a few.
Speaker C:Yeah, there's a few out there, but I still give advice every day.
Speaker C:But people like that guy today that contacted me about the pedals.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:If I can give some advice.
Speaker C:If they're asking and I think I have an answer, I have no problem sharing that.
Speaker C:No problem at all.
Speaker D:Sweet.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:I have.
Speaker A:I have a question about.
Speaker A:It's a Winnipeg thing.
Speaker A:Like, Winnipeggers have this belief that we are the music town of Canada.
Speaker A:The best music comes out of here.
Speaker A:There's this pride about Winnipeg and our music and our music scene and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker C:Do you like it?
Speaker A:Do you get any memories about some.
Speaker C:I like.
Speaker C:I like that you liked.
Speaker C:Do I have any memories of Big.
Speaker A:Is there any bands in Winnipeg that you're like, oh, yeah, that Winnipeg.
Speaker C:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Street Heart, for sure.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Kenny Shields, man, I knew him.
Speaker C:And still no Spider to this day.
Speaker C:In fact, the Dwarfs did a show this Summer with them.
Speaker C:With the street art that's together now.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:Spiders in it.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:And it was great to see him.
Speaker C:We played Manitoulin island here.
Speaker C:Did an outdoor festival in August.
Speaker C:But all those bands I knew really well out there, Queen City Kids.
Speaker C:Oh yeah, I think the Pumps.
Speaker A:The Pumps, yep.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then of course, Burton Cummings.
Speaker C:We know him.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker C:Quite well.
Speaker C:Jerry, our guitar player of the Drawers, actually does shows with Burton from time to time.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker C:Side gig things?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, that's cool.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's not advertised, he's.
Speaker C:But we know Burton.
Speaker C:He knows him.
Speaker C:Have you heard of Bumps Street Heart?
Speaker C:I'm just saying.
Speaker C:Harlequin.
Speaker A:Harlequin.
Speaker C:I know all those bands.
Speaker C:I remember when Kick Ax used to play Winnipeg all the time.
Speaker C:Time too.
Speaker C:They're not from there.
Speaker C:They're not from there.
Speaker C:They're friends of ours today.
Speaker C:Good friend.
Speaker C:We still tour with Kick Ass today.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And that's the first time I ever seen Kick Ax playing the Black Knight out there.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker C:Back in the day.
Speaker C:Yeah, I love it.
Speaker C:So I got a lot of history in that town, man.
Speaker A:So I have a question.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:Have you heard of the.
Speaker A:The Killer Dwarf kind of not clone band.
Speaker A:There's a band in Winnipeg.
Speaker A:Holy.
Speaker A:Do they sound like you guys?
Speaker C:Are you serious?
Speaker A:They're called.
Speaker C:That's awesome.
Speaker A:They're called Moon 10.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Moon 10.
Speaker A:They're a kind of a.
Speaker A:A cross between you guys and Rush.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Incredible singer.
Speaker A:Amazing.
Speaker A:A drummer that plays on the.
Speaker A:The most simplified kit and makes it sound like, you know, like a million piece drum kit.
Speaker C:Well, most drummers are doing that these days.
Speaker C:I don't know if you've seen some of these drumeo videos that are out.
Speaker C:Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker C:Everybody's playing one rack at one floor and just slaying them.
Speaker C:Playing all the paradiddle grooves, all one offs and.
Speaker C:Oh man, I've been enjoying watching some of those drumeo videos, man.
Speaker C:Everybody's just blazing on little kits now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like blazing on them.
Speaker C:It's really intriguing to see that.
Speaker B:Even the hello Kitty kids.
Speaker A:Yeah, the hell yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:For fun.
Speaker C:You know, I saw a video with poor Fortnite Crash in a little.
Speaker C:Little kit like that.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Watch that video a million times.
Speaker C:Quite funny.
Speaker C:It's quite funny actually.
Speaker A:This Moontan band though, I think you should check out.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think you're gonna hear them go, holy.
Speaker A:Like these guys are.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Do they have original music?
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker A:Oh, it's all original.
Speaker C:Oh, cool.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's all original.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:There's this contest called Indie Week.
Speaker A:It's like an international competition, but they have like an Indie Week in each city, right?
Speaker A:And then Moontan, they won.
Speaker A:They won Indie Week in Winnipeg.
Speaker A:And then they went to Toronto to compete against all the other Canadian winners in Toronto.
Speaker A:They won that.
Speaker A:And then they did the global one, which, I don't know, Scotland or Edinburgh or whatever, somewhere over there.
Speaker A:And they won the whole fucking thing.
Speaker A:And they're from Winnipeg and it's like, oh my God.
Speaker A:So I started checking this band out and they're just.
Speaker A:I. I was.
Speaker A:When I was listening to the Dwarves last week, I'm like, yep.
Speaker A:That's why, why I liked Moon 10.
Speaker A:Because they have that familiar kind of seven.
Speaker C:So they sound.
Speaker C:They do they have an 80s feel to.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker C:Like, kind of like 70s and 80s feel.
Speaker C:Yeah, you gotta check.
Speaker A:Just worthwhile.
Speaker C:What do you think of Credit Van Fleet?
Speaker A:I think I like it, but I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I haven't been won over.
Speaker C:The only reason I met.
Speaker C:I mentioned them.
Speaker C:I like a couple of their tunes, but I get what they're doing.
Speaker C:I mean, the only reason I brought that up is you brought this band up.
Speaker C:Moon.
Speaker C:Moon Tan, you know, Ground of Anthletes.
Speaker C:Kind of an old age new band.
Speaker C:They sound like Zeppelin.
Speaker C:Yeah, but they.
Speaker C:They have their own vibe.
Speaker C:I gave it a chance, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I've listened to quite a bit of their stuff.
Speaker C:Just give it a chance.
Speaker C:Instead of just hearing a single and going, oh, that's so much like Zeppelin.
Speaker C:Yeah, Yeah, I gave it a chance.
Speaker C:There's some good stuff they can play, you know, but have you heard of a band called Rival Sons?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Well, they were doing that before.
Speaker C:Regretted Van Fleet.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:They're real zeppeliny too, man.
Speaker C:Really.
Speaker C:Blues.
Speaker C:They're a really good band.
Speaker C:They're a really good band.
Speaker C:Rival Sons.
Speaker C:Excellent band.
Speaker C:My.
Speaker C:My good friends are sound man.
Speaker A:Oh, nice.
Speaker C:Neil McDonald.
Speaker C:Yeah, he works for them.
Speaker C:But I don't know, man.
Speaker C:I. I'm.
Speaker C:I'm all for new talent.
Speaker C:I. I mean, it's.
Speaker C:I'm all for it.
Speaker C:I'll back it and support it any way I can, anytime.
Speaker C:Because the new blood of this business is, you know, I only have so many years left in me and that's it.
Speaker C:And so, you know, there's got to be somebody come up all the time to keep rock and roll going.
Speaker C:I just hold the flag of rock and roll.
Speaker C:I want to see rock and roll Survive forever long after I'm gone I want.
Speaker C:I want to see that kid come up and be the new Daryl Dwarf pirate.
Speaker C:The new pirate.
Speaker C:Knock yourself out, man.
Speaker C:There's gonna be some kid come up behind me, kick my.
Speaker C:Kick my ass, and I'll be happy to see it.
Speaker A:Are you into pirate metal at all?
Speaker A:Have you heard it?
Speaker C:Kinda.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:As a joke.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:What's that?
Speaker C:Band.
Speaker C:My bass player was telling me about this band.
Speaker C:Band.
Speaker D:It's just Ale Storm.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:It's incredible.
Speaker C:He says he's right into them.
Speaker C:He's played me a few other songs and I gotta laugh.
Speaker C:It's just so cool.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's so pirate.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, the pirate.
Speaker C:I don't have my pirate beard in tonight.
Speaker C:I took it out for you guys.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker C:I got my dimebag Daryl beard on.
Speaker C:Yeah, this is usually.
Speaker C:This is usually braided, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:You know, I got the pirate.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:That's where I got it from.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But, yeah, they're a good band, though, actually, this Ale Storm band.
Speaker A:No, they're really good.
Speaker C:There's like.
Speaker C:They're really good players.
Speaker C:Like, they're good, man.
Speaker A:But I think that's where rock's going.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:Okay, you know what?
Speaker A:Like, because people are doing stuff indie, and maybe it's a little niche or a little genre or whatever, but they can have a life.
Speaker A:Like, it's so indie.
Speaker A:Like all these rock bands just trying things that are a little bit different, you know?
Speaker C:Like, there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker C:Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's how it's gonna work.
Speaker B:You just pivot.
Speaker C:I'm gonna bring up a band.
Speaker C:New band.
Speaker C:Now that we're talking about new bands.
Speaker C:Have you ever.
Speaker C:Have you listened to Wolfie at all?
Speaker C:Wolfgang Van Halen stuff?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Are you a fan of it?
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker C:I'm a huge fan of it.
Speaker A:I did not like.
Speaker A:But okay.
Speaker C:I think it's incredible.
Speaker A:Here's the question for you.
Speaker A:So when you listen to it the first time, did you like it right away or was it a grower?
Speaker C:No, I didn't like it right away.
Speaker A:Same here.
Speaker C:I only liked one song right away.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:Tell you why I. I gave it the chance because it's Wolfgang Van Halen and you respect Eddie so much, and his son's got to be good.
Speaker C:If he's.
Speaker C:He's from the DNA, man, he's got to be good at this kid.
Speaker C:There's no way he's not good.
Speaker C:He's Alex Van Allen.
Speaker C:He's Eddie Van Halen's kid.
Speaker C:So I gave it a whole pass listen to the whole thing and I found hit me kind of Nickelbacky sometimes.
Speaker A:Okay, sure.
Speaker C:If you didn't get that.
Speaker C:Nothing against nickel.
Speaker C:I like Nickelback.
Speaker C:I don't bag on them like everyone does.
Speaker C:The guy's an incredible songwriter.
Speaker C:But I was hearing nuances of Nickelback, new age sounding bands like that commercial, those pop rock, like commercial pop rock.
Speaker C:And that's how I heard it on the first listen.
Speaker C:And then it took me about five listens to get into some of the tracks.
Speaker C:Like Epiphany is my favorite song on it.
Speaker C:Epiphany is it the second?
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:Wow, man, what a powerful tune.
Speaker C:What a pounding the course and everything.
Speaker C:It's just the payoff.
Speaker C:And that is insane.
Speaker C:All the drumming is great on it.
Speaker C:And apparently he played on it.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker C:No, he's drum.
Speaker A:He's the only musician.
Speaker C:The drumming's amazing on that record.
Speaker A:He's really.
Speaker A:Well, he used to play for Tremonte as a drummer.
Speaker C:Oh, really?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I didn't know that from Creed.
Speaker A:Creed had his altar.
Speaker C:Right, right.
Speaker A:And then he had a solo band called Tremonte.
Speaker A:I think it was Tremonte he was playing for.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker A:But he was their drummer when he was like before he did the Van Halen thing.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:Well, there you go.
Speaker C:So he's got.
Speaker C:He's obviously a talented guy.
Speaker C:Jack of all trades.
Speaker C:Oh yeah, Guy.
Speaker C:You can play drums and then you become a guitar player like that.
Speaker C:You got it made.
Speaker A:No kidding.
Speaker C:Because then you can do anything.
Speaker C:You can track your own record.
Speaker C:Because playing bass isn't that hard if you're a great guitar player.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:So, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Anyway, that's.
Speaker C:That's a new record that I'm pretty.
Speaker C:I'm into at the moment.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I can't unlisten it.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's always ear wormed in there and just there's a.
Speaker A:And I pivot on what is the best track of the album all the time.
Speaker A:And a good album will grow on you and you won't.
Speaker A:You won't listen to it twice again.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm done with it now.
Speaker A:No, you listen to it and it just gets better, better and better.
Speaker A:How can this kid at that age have that all figured out so well on how to be.
Speaker A:Build a song together like that?
Speaker C:That's a monster rock record is.
Speaker C:That's a monster record.
Speaker C:Like every track is a good track.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Like there's really no tracks on that record.
Speaker C:You might not like some of the poppier stuff versus the heavier stuff, but it's.
Speaker C:It's got something to offer everything.
Speaker C:It's really good.
Speaker C:It's one of the better records I've heard in a long time.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:Have you guys revisited any records lately from the day old records?
Speaker D:Sean and I did deep dive into the killer drawers last week.
Speaker C:Well, like I don't get me wrong, I don't mean like a Ted Nugent record that you like, that you hear all the time.
Speaker C:I just mean.
Speaker C:Have you.
Speaker C:Because I. I recently just out of the blue started listening to Genesis.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker C:Because of Phil Collins is.
Speaker C:He fell down and got injured and he's not very healthy right now.
Speaker C:And it's kind of a sad story story.
Speaker C:He's been touring, sitting down, singing, and he can't drum anymore and he's got a lot of health problems.
Speaker C:And it kind of bothered me.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And I know Scott Ian from Anthrax went to the show in New York and he was physically crying.
Speaker C:He started crying like it moved him.
Speaker C:Like it bothered him or moved him.
Speaker C:Like he felt bad for.
Speaker C:Even though the performance was good.
Speaker C:But I was never a fan of Genesis.
Speaker C:I'm talking about real Genesis.
Speaker C:In high school.
Speaker C:I thought they were geeks, man.
Speaker C:It's like, yes.
Speaker C:And all this.
Speaker C:I was into, like, I was into Kiss and Rush and Aerosmith and Nugent and all those bands back then.
Speaker C:Like Genesis to me was like, what is this?
Speaker A:We're on this.
Speaker A:We're on the same page.
Speaker A:That was kind of my things.
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker A:So this is what got you back.
Speaker A:So this is what got you listening to them.
Speaker A:So what did you discover?
Speaker C:I discovered how great it is.
Speaker C:Some of it just the first, first album because there's a history behind that.
Speaker C:Peter Gabriel left the band and they were wrote off by the English press as a dead band.
Speaker C:And they discovered Phil Collins.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:He addition got the gig and then they needed a singer and they.
Speaker C:They just basically threw fake doing said Phil, can you sing?
Speaker C:Like, can you try singing this track?
Speaker C:And just if it's.
Speaker C:If it doesn't work, we'll.
Speaker C:We'll get a singer.
Speaker C:We'll find whatever it was, that song Squonk or whatever, really heavy tune.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And anyway he pulled it off and became the singer on the whole record.
Speaker C:Just like that.
Speaker C:In the studio as they're tracking that record became a record.
Speaker C:I don't know if you knew that.
Speaker A:I did not know that.
Speaker A:That's actually.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that's what got me listening to the record.
Speaker C:There's two tracks on that record I've been listening to every day non Stop.
Speaker C:And that's that Squawk tune.
Speaker C:And I'm starting to realize how much like Rush that is that stuff.
Speaker C:You need to check it out, man.
Speaker C:As a drummer, you need to go back, go on YouTube, find that first album, right?
Speaker C:Trick of the Tail.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:The first track.
Speaker C:I can't remember the name of it though.
Speaker C:The first tracks of Volcano.
Speaker C:Something.
Speaker C:Volcano was the first track and then Squonk.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Just listen to those two songs.
Speaker C:Don't listen to the rest of it.
Speaker C:Just listen to those two.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:And check out the drum fills and the time signatures and all the stuff in those two songs.
Speaker C:And all of a sudden you'll start thinking Farewell to Kings.
Speaker C:Really full on.
Speaker C:Never discovered that before.
Speaker C:Never thought of that in a million years.
Speaker C:Till I disagree very well.
Speaker A:The King.
Speaker A:So, okay.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, so I just read, just revisited it.
Speaker C:And the drum fills and the sounds are wicked, man.
Speaker C:It's so good.
Speaker C:It's so good, man.
Speaker C:It's so good.
Speaker C:I'm telling you.
Speaker B:Have you ever heard him play in Brand X?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:The guy's an incredible drummer, man.
Speaker B:Incredible.
Speaker A:Incredible.
Speaker A:Brand X. Holy Brand X.
Speaker C:Who else drummed in that too?
Speaker C:They're all hot players, right?
Speaker C:Who else was a drummer in Brand X?
Speaker C:That's really good.
Speaker C:Phil's was Terry Bozio over in that.
Speaker A:Now I gotta look this up.
Speaker C:There's another drummer besides Phil that was in Brand X.
Speaker B:So technicals.
Speaker C:I can't think.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Prog rock stuff, right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Kind of froggy, but anyway, I just thought we know that we're talking about bands and music.
Speaker C:I thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker C:You know, I just.
Speaker C:Sometimes I'll just go into deep code cuts and go back in time to 70s or 60s and just give a band a shot that I hated when I was a kid and nine out of 10 times, when you're matured now and understand drumming like I do now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So doing it so long.
Speaker C:The respect thing is like me.
Speaker C:So good, man.
Speaker C:It's cool.
Speaker C:I really enjoyed it.
Speaker C:I've enjoyed revisiting that stuff.
Speaker C:I'm still not a Genesis fan, though.
Speaker C:Stuffy English bastards.
Speaker A:What do you think about, like, Stuart Copeland?
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's a master player, man.
Speaker C:He's amazing drummer.
Speaker C:He really is.
Speaker C:I'll tell you why.
Speaker C:He's an innovator.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Neil Pert.
Speaker C:Kurt looked up to Copeland.
Speaker C:Looked up to him.
Speaker C:Loved him.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Got Some.
Speaker C:Some of his stuff, I. I can hear it in some of the Rush records.
Speaker C:After Kurt got influenced by him for a while and admitted it.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:As he.
Speaker C:He fused rock with reggae and all the time signatures and turn everything around.
Speaker C:Started playing back, backwards backbeats in and out of the beat.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:And to the ear, you're like, what the hell is he doing?
Speaker C:He's just playing in and out of the beat to and forward, back and forth.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:And reggae kind of is that way, right?
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I'm a big race.
Speaker C:But he.
Speaker C:Yeah, but he fused it into rock music and it just jams the way he plays it.
Speaker C:Only he can play it that way.
Speaker A:All right, here's a drummer to throw at you.
Speaker A:Local.
Speaker A:Local band called Propagandi.
Speaker A:Have you ever heard of those?
Speaker A:Those guys?
Speaker C:No, I don't know.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, that drummer, man.
Speaker A:Innovator.
Speaker A:Complete innovation.
Speaker A:They're one of the.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're very indie band, but they're.
Speaker A:They're huge.
Speaker A:They're huge globally.
Speaker A:Like, they do UK tours all the time.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:They were like.
Speaker A:They tour everywhere.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker C:But they're from Winnipeg.
Speaker A:They're from Winnipeg.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, they're just.
Speaker A:That drummer, he's just.
Speaker C:Where do they play in Winnipeg now?
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker C:Where does anybody play in Winnipeg now?
Speaker C:We were just there and played the Casino.
Speaker C:We were lucky enough to get to play that.
Speaker C:It's a nice venue there.
Speaker C:But bar wise, the last time I played a bar was I guess with Ottoman at the Zoo before it got tore down.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, the Zoo's gone.
Speaker A:The Albert is.
Speaker A:I don't even know if it's open anymore.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:There's like the Goodwill.
Speaker A:There's the Pyramid.
Speaker A:The Pyramid still around, which used to be Spectrum back in the day.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:There's a place called Bulldog, which is absolutely tiny.
Speaker A:The Park.
Speaker C:I know that.
Speaker C:I know that venue.
Speaker A:Yeah, the Park Theater is actually doing some.
Speaker C:But where do these bands play, though?
Speaker C:Like, how do they.
Speaker C:Like, where do these bands play?
Speaker C:You're.
Speaker C:You're Talking about Moon 10 and all these bands.
Speaker A:Yeah, they play all of those venues.
Speaker A:They just.
Speaker C:Oh, they.
Speaker C:They play them.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:That's what I mean.
Speaker C:So there is like a scene of some kind.
Speaker A:Oh, the scene is still happening.
Speaker C:There's still clubs to play.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, for sure there is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay, good.
Speaker A:Just some of the places were obviously closed for Covid, but a lot of them are opening up now.
Speaker A:There's a few venues that have just opened up in the last three or four Months.
Speaker A:But there was a period where a lot of them were just shutting down.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Well, every city in the, in North America has gone through that transition where the club scene died.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Even.
Speaker C:Okay, so that's, it's not just Winnipeg.
Speaker C:That's why I asked you.
Speaker C:Because there's, there's only so many venues here in Toronto.
Speaker C:A giant city like this left.
Speaker C:Like all the, all the rock bars of my day are gone.
Speaker C:Yeah, they're just like, you know, there's, there's, there's still venues here, but the Horseshoe's still here and Lee's palace is still here and the Phoenix Concert Theater and there's, there's.
Speaker C:There's enough venues, but there's only this many venues compared to this many.
Speaker A:So is it the same thing that's like, where it's, it's just the dance club.
Speaker A:It's just, it's just.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C: and arenas and concert clubs: Speaker C:There's dance.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like hip hop dance gigs, right?
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:The Park Theater is probably the best in terms of sound quality.
Speaker A:Really good, like, really good sound guys that work the place.
Speaker A:It's a converted movie theater that's been converted into a club.
Speaker A:It's a great place.
Speaker A:I've seen a lot of shows there.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:That's, that's tough.
Speaker C:It's funny, in the 80s, when we first came to Winnipeg, and around the time Kickox did too, you had the Norlander.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:The Zoo.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:The Norlander, the Zoo, the Black Knight, the Canadiana, and a couple of other strip bars that were rock bars too, that I can't remember.
Speaker C:Can't remember their names.
Speaker C:But it was, There was.
Speaker C:It was pretty healthy, man.
Speaker C:It was five or six big clubs you could play in Winnipeg.
Speaker C:Good clubs.
Speaker C:Big, like, good clubs other than the Zoo, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's good.
Speaker C:You guys still got it out there?
Speaker A:Oh, no, it's still here.
Speaker A:The scene here.
Speaker A:There's a friend of our show that.
Speaker A:He has his own show called which Police and what he does literally twice a week.
Speaker A:He's got a Winnipeg band on.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, A different Winnipeg band.
Speaker A:He's been doing it for nine years and he's still finding like great Winnipeg talent every week, like twice a week.
Speaker C:That's good.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm just happy to hear there's still kids out there that give a. Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:That want to play and still do it.
Speaker C:Because, I mean, for a while there I was wondering about the Youth of today, it's like, yikes.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:I have an 11 year old daughter, so I'm just.
Speaker C:I go by what I've watched her do and seen her classes in school and what they're into.
Speaker C:I mean, my kid's a rocker, obviously.
Speaker C:Like, she loves that new.
Speaker C:She loves that new man.
Speaker C:She loves the Wolfgang album.
Speaker C:She's got a really wide variety.
Speaker C:I'm, I, I love how she's interested in, you know, a wide spectrum of music.
Speaker C:Like she still likes the dance stuff, some of it, but sure, she likes rock and roll.
Speaker C:I didn't really push it on her.
Speaker C:I mean, she has no choice to be in the rock and roll by her dad.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's kind of.
Speaker C:There's no escaping the music that gets played in this house.
Speaker C:There's no escaping it, but that's her decision.
Speaker C:I never pushed it on her ever, so.
Speaker C:Never pushed.
Speaker C:Oh, you gotta listen to Van Halen or you're gonna get grounded.
Speaker C:I don't do that.
Speaker A:Actually.
Speaker A:Like playing an instrument or anything.
Speaker C:Yeah, she plays drums and keyboards.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Mine, I don't, I don't push her on that either.
Speaker C:I pushed her into hockey.
Speaker C:I did that.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:That was a big deal for me.
Speaker C:She plays hockey.
Speaker C:Yeah, I pushed her into playing hockey when she was really young.
Speaker C:Unfortunately, Covid came.
Speaker C:She hasn't played hockey in two years.
Speaker C:Too bad.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:Both my kids are.
Speaker A:They're on piano lessons and then I.
Speaker C:Don't know if you can see.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just behind me I got my electric kit.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's not as loud for the kids, but they bang on there like I, I want one of them so bad to just pound on this.
Speaker C:This is weird, but I just caught myself trying to look around you at your drum kit.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker C:Yeah, you said back there and I started going like I was in your room.
Speaker C:I just caught myself doing that.
Speaker C:What the.
Speaker C:This is insane.
Speaker C:Yeah, you go back there and I'm like, yeah, we're way back there.
Speaker C:Oh yeah, I see it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Eddie, Eddie been.
Speaker C:Van Allen had that little tune he used to play to Wolfgang and it's on that record with Sammy there.
Speaker C:That's pretty good.
Speaker C:You know that little guitar part he used to play as a little lullaby pound cake record?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:What a.
Speaker C:What a sweet sound and piece of music that is.
Speaker C:Just short, but it really gets you.
Speaker A:It's beautiful.
Speaker C:You hear it?
Speaker C:It is, it's.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:It's cool, man.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That little thing that's on your necklace that a lot of people nowadays would probably look at it.
Speaker B:Would have no clue what it is right now.
Speaker B:Have you ever had anybody come up to you and ask you what that is?
Speaker C:All the time, bro.
Speaker B:They don't know.
Speaker C:I'm not kidding.
Speaker C:Oh no, they don't.
Speaker C:And every time they do, I always say to them, ah, you're aging yourself.
Speaker C:You know what that is?
Speaker C:Yeah, I get them every time because some of them know, they go, hey, that's that 45 record thing.
Speaker C:Yeah, you're aging your yourself.
Speaker C:I know how old you are, but most people don't know what it is.
Speaker C:They think it's like a satanic looking thing.
Speaker C:They don't know, right?
Speaker C:They never say that.
Speaker C:Oh, well, that's cool.
Speaker C:That's cool.
Speaker C:What is that?
Speaker C:But the history behind that.
Speaker C:Hey, you know what the, the real name of that is?
Speaker C:If you were in a trivia, do you know what you know?
Speaker C:No, I don't.
Speaker C:What would you call it then?
Speaker C:You don't know.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:That's what you'd call it, right?
Speaker C:A 45 record center.
Speaker C:It's really called the spider.
Speaker D:Really?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker C:I'm not kidding you.
Speaker C:This is, this is called a spider.
Speaker C:S P Y D E R. It was man.
Speaker C:It was invented by Capitol Records.
Speaker C:They came up with the name, the whole thing.
Speaker C:And it's a 45 record piece centerpiece.
Speaker C:That is what it is.
Speaker C:But the real name for it is a spider.
Speaker C:S P Y D E R. So if you were in a trivia pursuit game and they asked you what is that yellow thing that goes.
Speaker C:Goes on a small 45 record?
Speaker C:Remember that?
Speaker C:It's called a spider.
Speaker A:That's cool.
Speaker B:Is that the actual size if you had a 45 right now?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:This was custom made by a jeweler.
Speaker C:It's the exact one done in.
Speaker C:In silver.
Speaker C:It's pure.
Speaker C:So it's a silver one.
Speaker C:Pure silver.
Speaker D:Nice.
Speaker B:Very nice.
Speaker C:This would work.
Speaker C:You could take a 45 and it would work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker C:Like you could punch it in a real 45 and it would play the record.
Speaker C:It would work.
Speaker C:I've yet to do it.
Speaker C:It's an exact replica of the yellow.
Speaker C:The little yellow question, Todd.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was great.
Speaker C:Good question, man.
Speaker B:Cheers.
Speaker C:More trivia.
Speaker C:We're teaching people left and right.
Speaker C:Learning a lot of off this.
Speaker A:Oh, nice.
Speaker A:Yeah, awesome, thanks.
Speaker B:Appreciate it.
Speaker D:Thanks for coming down.
Speaker C:You guys have a good night.
Speaker C:Wish me luck on the Monsters of Rock crew.
Speaker B:For sure.
Speaker C:Hope I don't get Covid.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I'm vaxxed anyway, folks.
Speaker C:Fuck it.
Speaker A:Okay, awesome.
Speaker C:Have a good night, boys.
Speaker A:Thanks, brother.
Speaker C:See you later, okay?
